may visit on a long weekend, whats the PLO like? what games run when? is there a daily schedule?

and i read thru the last 20 or so pages of this, does anything larger than 2/5 plo run here? or do they get private games on certain days? i have played at derby lanes before. just curious, ty

The dealers are for the most part very professional and keep the games running efficiently imo.

There are of course a few exceptions like with a lot of poker rooms. I'm not sure if the exceptions consistently keep doing the same thing because there isn't a system in place to correct their actions or there isn't enough training. Either way a few dealers need to be corrected. Basically, they need more training and re-training of some dealers.

Couple of examples -

I played a tourney last weekend and when a K came on the turn with a board reading XQTxK, she said before any river action,"OK, let's see who has AJ." I wasn't in the hand so I kept my mouth shut, but I was amazed that it didn't seem to bother anyone else.

Had another dealer in a cash game, when asked how much is the bet, count the players stack and say the wrng amount by $150. I corrected the dealer, enough though I wasn't in the hand and was told. "No. I counted it right." The dealer then was asked to count again by another player and after counting 2 times got it right.

Don't mean to sound like I'm bashing, so I'll give a couple of positives.

Mucked my cards after losing a hand in a tourney and a player not in the hand asked to see my cards. The dealer said to me, "he wants to see your cards." Me "I mucked." Dealer to player "you can't asked to see his cards if you aren't in the hand just to get information."

Dealer in a 4 way ai pot counted all the stacks quickly and set up the main pot and side pots correctly extremely fast even while 3 plyrs at tbl were trying to tell him the (sometimes incorrect) amounts of each pot. He was being distracted by chatter - it didn't phase him and he didn't get upset with anyone.

All in all a good room that could make the leap to great with a few improvements.

what

the room is going to be much better with Tom from Borgata in charge. I talked with a few good dealers yesterday about it and they are all pretty excited for positive changes to come.

One change, there is a 1/1 40-100 NL game now.

I knew they were going to do this... they had to **** it up!

This is another change that encourages deeper play. It's a good thing.

not great for "us" but it's totally fair.

there is obviously a demand for it. if people don't want to risk 100 (or whatever the min is) or play against 300 stacks that's their prerogative. of course i want more fish in my game... but i can't expect people to be forced to play with me anymore than i'd want to be forced to play 5-10.

i expect this will get rid of a lot of min-stackers too which should help with being able to play some "real poker" like alex said.

Current terrible blind structure:
25/50
50/100
25/100/200
50/200/400
break/race greens
100/300/600
100/400/800
100/500/1000
200/600/1200
break
200/800/1600

The following is a vastly improved structure that is just as fast in getting you to the same level 9:
25/50
50/100
100/200
25/150/300
break
50/200/400
75/300/600
100/400/800
150/600/1200
break/race green
200/800/1600

Please make this change ASAP. Just because you have a turbo structure doesn't mean it has to be awful and jerky like the current one is.

Obviously it's better, and not a drastic change - so you'd think they'd be ok with it. I had a spreadsheet done for this from some other tournament, so plugged your numbers in to see what the M is for the different structures. Assuming 10K starting (M of 133):

1. 133.3
2. 66.7
3. 30.8
4. 15.4
5. 10.0
6. 7.7
7. 6.3
8. 5.0
9. 3.8

Yours is:

1. 133.3
2. 66.7
3. 33.3
4. 21.1
5. 15.4
6. 10.4
7. 7.7
8. 5.1
9. 3.8

So main differences are levels 4,5 and 6.

Still, my biggest issue with tournaments has not usually been amount of the increases, but more the ridiculous speed of most of them and just the fact that it gets to a crapshoot 4 or 5 levels in, with not much room left to play. (So really, level length.) So personally I always focused on level length more than blinds and antes at any particular level when deciding whether to play.

If I had a choice between your structure and 30 minute levels or their structure and 60 minute levels (or even 45), I'd take theirs. (Understand that's not the point of your post though.)

FYI - Scott's PM ability should be fixed now.

Not the biggest fan of the 1/1 game (for mostly selfish reasons prob), but on the bright side I was informed today that out of turn action is now binding in cash games (as long as the action is unchanged of course).

Think they will get a 5-10 nl holdem games running ever?

If they changed the buy in to a more reasonable $1k or 2k max, they would have games everyday.

If players want to play it,it will run. I have stated the reasons for its demise and won't bore anyone with a re-post. THR will need to make changes,if they want to jump start the game on a consistent basis.One myth out there i would like to crush is that raising the 2/5 NL game to 1k max is the reason for no 5/10 NL. It would not be untrue to say that the change was the straw that broke the camals back,but 5/10NL was on life support before the change. Some weekdays it would not run,while others days it was playing short and would break early. Only on weekends was it playing consistenly at that point.

+1

The buy in range is one of the changes that needs to happen. 500 to 2k.

What is the buyin limits now?

this is the farthest from the truth. Sure the 5k max was a joke, but the 5/10 regs got together (myself included) and wanted to make some changes to the game, but the staff wouldn't listen so we said ok, we'll move the game somewhere else and they said ok do it, and it was done. Sure the game was super tight and sucked a lot of the time, but when you have 6 nits at the table you raise 40 and they are taking 3+1 with no flop, the only player winning is the rake box. 5/10 is a time game at Borgata and I hope with the new leader coming in, it will be a time game and will come back.

it's 500-5K now. I agree 500 to 2K would be great.

Agree - 5/10 should def be time rake

I have heard lots of people mention they would be interested in playing 5/10, but it's never running. If management will listen to the suggestions posted above, I think we could get one running again.

THR management listen...LOL

(Scott F. notwithstanding, he has listened but he can't unilaterally make changes)

Yes there have been some fairly momentus changes, the 1/2 buy in probably being the most notable but there is still an arrogance about the room from a management perspective...they know they have the slots and table games and so therefore they generate traffic and well, you know the rest.

The points about the 5/10 game are so obvious and simple but like PeopleM states, they wouldn't listen to the players who actually played in that game so the game went elsewhere...pretty simple business concept called "know your customer" or at least "try to listen to your customer and care about customer input"...

There have been so many posts here about how crappy the promos have been for months but management doesn't care...really hoping the new room manager brings a total change in the culture and attitude in the poker room, time will tell.

The fact that they hired an experienced manager is a huge shift.

Moving to tampa next week. What kind of 2/5 games run at thr (last few pages seem to contradict the faq from last year)? How many tables, avg buyin, style of play, typical wait list, etc? Also how does thr compare to derby? Thanks for the help.

There is a good chance the max buy will be reduced back to 2000 in the near future. The 5/10 game started with 500-2000 buy-in. We raised it to 5000 because we were inundated with requests to do so.

We have always offered time rake as an option on the 5-10 game.

What's the PLO action here like? I heard its dried up lately? What games run?