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04-03-2013 , 08:25 AM
that 2nd AA hand where T got paired on the turn. you can easily bet the turn there cause it's hard for him to have a Tx hand in there.
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04-03-2013 , 08:35 AM
Not sure about the Tx hand. I wasnt that worried about him having Tx rather more worried that its hard for him to have a hand to continue with given the Ten isnt the greatest card for me to bet on if Im bluffing. That may be me thinking too deeply against someone who might just think "I have 88 so now I have 2 pair, I call".
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04-03-2013 , 08:40 AM
What can you do? This is getting ridiculous.


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819501

    Hero (BTN): $5 (100 bb)
    SB: $5 (100 bb)
    BB: $2.50 (50 bb)
    UTG+1: $5.43 (108.6 bb)
    UTG+2: $11.07 (221.4 bb)
    MP1: $4.59 (91.8 bb)
    MP2: $10.06 (201.2 bb)
    MP3: $5.25 (105 bb)
    CO: $5.34 (106.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 7
    6 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08, BB folds

    Flop: ($0.25) J 7 8 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80, SB calls $1.20

    Turn: ($3.85) 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $3.10 and is all-in, SB calls $3.10 and is all-in

    River: ($10.05) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $10.05 pot ($0.42 rake)
    Final Board: J 7 8 5 K
    Hero showed 8 7 and lost (-$5 net)
    SB showed 9 A and won $9.63 ($4.63 net)



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    Its almost the nut worst turn card I can hit and what am I meant to do? Check/fold lol I dont have room to bet/fold. Again the villain makes me lol. He wont get it in on the flop but probably calls my turn shove on a blank, at least let me get it in once in a while where Im a favourite.

    Edit: If I have to fold 2 pair there to a blind vs blind flop raise then I may as well just end myself.
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    04-03-2013 , 08:44 AM
    I might check behind OTT there, given that we shouldn't have too much difficulty getting it in OTR against what should be a wider range (although it's a sigh-fold when the fourth spade comes).
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    04-03-2013 , 08:48 AM
    All I can say is my EV line looks sexy as hell.


      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819531

      BTN: $2.35 (47 bb)
      SB: $6.74 (134.8 bb)
      BB: $5 (100 bb)
      UTG+1: $4.72 (94.4 bb)
      UTG+2: $5.22 (104.4 bb)
      MP1: $2.66 (53.2 bb)
      MP2: $4.84 (96.8 bb)
      MP3: $2.12 (42.4 bb)
      Hero (CO): $5 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with Q A
      4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds

      Flop: ($0.37) 6 7 8 (2 players)
      MP3 bets $0.30, Hero raises to $3.18, MP3 calls $1.67 and is all-in

      Turn: ($4.31) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($4.31) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $4.31 pot ($0.18 rake)
      Final Board: 6 7 8 6 3
      MP3 showed J J and won $4.13 ($2.01 net)
      Hero showed Q A and lost (-$2.12 net)



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      So whats the plan here? Call flop, call Turn fold river when I miss? What about when I hit and the villain is like durrrr he has the flush.
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      04-03-2013 , 08:54 AM
      In b4 poker is rigged.
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      04-03-2013 , 09:01 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by bushell
      In b4 poker is rigged.
      It cant be rigged I won one......


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        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819541

        BTN: $2.50 (50 bb)
        SB: $2.37 (47.4 bb)
        BB: $6.36 (127.2 bb)
        UTG+1: $2.93 (58.6 bb)
        UTG+2: $1.88 (37.6 bb)
        MP1: $5 (100 bb)
        MP2: $2.65 (53 bb)
        Hero (MP3): $6.06 (121.2 bb)
        CO: $4.51 (90.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A K
        4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BB raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.95

        Flop: ($2.22) 8 2 A (2 players)
        BB bets $1.65, Hero calls $1.65

        Turn: ($5.52) T (2 players)
        BB bets $3.61, Hero calls $3.31

        River: ($12.14) 6 (2 players)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $12.14 pot ($0.50 rake)
        Final Board: 8 2 A T 6
        BB showed T 6 and won $0.00 (-$6.06 net)
        Hero showed A K and won $11.64 ($5.58 net)



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        then back to normal........

        Flop a set on the best board to flop a set on, fill up on the turn but what the hell does he call the flop with to fold to that turn?

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          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819551

          BTN: $6.61 (132.2 bb)
          SB: $1.85 (37 bb)
          BB: $2.64 (52.8 bb)
          Hero (UTG+1): $5.57 (111.4 bb)
          UTG+2: $4.03 (80.6 bb)
          MP1: $5.11 (102.2 bb)
          MP2: $6.96 (139.2 bb)
          MP3: $5.87 (117.4 bb)
          CO: $4.62 (92.4 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T T
          Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.15, 4 folds

          Flop: ($0.37) T 7 8 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30

          Turn: ($0.97) 8 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.68, MP3 folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $0.97 pot ($0.04 rake)
          Final Board: T 7 8 8
          Hero mucked T T and won $0.93 ($0.48 net)
          MP3 mucked and lost (-$0.45 net)



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          04-03-2013 , 09:05 AM
          Bet the river or not?

          Of course not he has a flush knob.


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            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819581

            BTN: $22.34 (223.4 bb)
            SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
            BB: $14.34 (143.4 bb)
            UTG+1: $11.92 (119.2 bb)
            UTG+2: $6.30 (63 bb)
            MP1: $8.10 (81 bb)
            MP2: $10.14 (101.4 bb)
            MP3: $4.85 (48.5 bb)
            Hero (CO): $11.38 (113.8 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
            UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.30

            Flop: ($0.95) 3 Q 9 (2 players)
            UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.75, UTG+2 calls $0.75

            Turn: ($2.45) A (2 players)
            UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $1.65, UTG+2 calls $1.65

            River: ($5.75) 6 (2 players)
            UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

            Spoiler:
            Results: $5.75 pot ($0.26 rake)
            Final Board: 3 Q 9 A 6
            UTG+2 showed J 7 and won $5.49 ($2.69 net)
            Hero mucked Q K and lost (-$2.80 net)



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            04-03-2013 , 09:10 AM
            Can now see a lot of instances in my play where tilt is obviously playing its part.


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              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819591

              BTN: $15.70 (314 bb)
              SB: $1.69 (33.8 bb)
              BB: $4.98 (99.6 bb)
              UTG+1: $4.86 (97.2 bb)
              UTG+2: $4.39 (87.8 bb)
              MP1: $5 (100 bb)
              MP2: $4.38 (87.6 bb)
              Hero (MP3): $12.93 (258.6 bb)
              CO: $2.11 (42.2 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q A
              UTG+1 raises to $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.05

              Flop: ($0.37) A 2 6 (2 players)
              UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

              Turn: ($0.37) 5 (2 players)
              UTG+1 bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.30, UTG+1 raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.15

              River: ($1.27) 7 (2 players)
              UTG+1 bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

              Spoiler:
              Results: $2.47 pot ($0.10 rake)
              Final Board: A 2 6 5 7
              UTG+1 showed 4 3 and won $2.37 ($1.17 net)
              Hero mucked Q A and lost (-$1.20 net)



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              You dont flop a FD that often and all that and my hand looks like Ax when i bet so checked behind trying to get 2 streets. Obviously when he 3bets he only has me beat.
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              04-03-2013 , 09:19 AM
              Whats up with the bet-sizing?
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              04-03-2013 , 09:21 AM
              Again loose shorty who is 3betting a ton. My shove is obviously +EV but again they show up with a hand.

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                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819601

                BTN: $4.10 (41 bb)
                Hero (SB): $14.90 (149 bb)
                BB: $5 (50 bb)
                UTG+1: $11.91 (119.1 bb)
                UTG+2: $7.31 (73.1 bb)
                MP1: $8.94 (89.4 bb)
                MP2: $3.05 (30.5 bb)
                MP3: $7.46 (74.6 bb)
                CO: $6.33 (63.3 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 A
                7 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $12.40, BB calls $4.10 and is all-in

                Flop: ($10.00) J K 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                Turn: ($10.00) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                River: ($10.00) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                Spoiler:
                Results: $10.00 pot ($0.45 rake)
                Final Board: J K 2 6 7
                Hero showed 3 A and won $0.00 (-$5 net)
                BB showed A K and won $9.55 ($4.55 net)



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                04-03-2013 , 09:26 AM
                Quote:
                obviously +EV
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                04-03-2013 , 09:39 AM
                To be frank man:

                What are you doing? You play so much better than this..
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                04-03-2013 , 10:09 AM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by bushell
                Thought it might get a reaction but anyway.....

                Villain is 21/18 over 160 hands. He has a 3bet of 18% and has 3bet 6/6 from the BB. His steal stats are 60%, 67%,60% from the Co/BB/Sb respectively. I would be amazed if we made assumptions on the back of that and plugged the data in to AllInExpert and it would say that my shove with Axs is anything but +EV even though the villain is 10bb deeper than I might of liked.

                I would hazard a guess that about a 50% range would be profitable but I wouldnt be surprised if it were more but anyone is free to give it a whirl.
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                04-03-2013 , 10:16 AM
                Easy game.







                  Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819741

                  BTN: $10.44 (104.4 bb)
                  SB: $4 (40 bb)
                  BB: $10 (100 bb)
                  UTG+1: $9.19 (91.9 bb)
                  UTG+2: $21.29 (212.9 bb)
                  MP1: $10.19 (101.9 bb)
                  MP2: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
                  Hero (MP3): $10 (100 bb)
                  CO: $10.79 (107.9 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A A
                  UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.80

                  Flop: ($2.55) 6 Q A (2 players)
                  UTG+2 bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

                  Turn: ($4.35) J (2 players)
                  UTG+2 bets $0.90, Hero raises to $3.10, UTG+2 calls $2.20

                  River: ($10.55) J (2 players)
                  UTG+2 bets $3.40, Hero raises to $4.80 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls $1.40

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $20.15 pot ($0.91 rake)
                  Final Board: 6 Q A J J
                  UTG+2 showed J K and lost (-$10 net)
                  Hero showed A A and won $19.24 ($9.24 net)



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                  04-03-2013 , 11:20 AM
                  What is it about back door draws getting there against me?

                  Villain tanks and tanks river and Im like yep hes gonna raise.


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                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819841

                    Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
                    SB: $10.42 (104.2 bb)
                    BB: $6 (60 bb)
                    UTG+1: $9.16 (91.6 bb)
                    UTG+2: $10.27 (102.7 bb)
                    MP1: $6.93 (69.3 bb)
                    MP2: $13.34 (133.4 bb)
                    MP3: $37.78 (377.8 bb)
                    CO: $18.49 (184.9 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 7
                    6 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB raises to $0.30, BB folds, Hero calls $0.10

                    Flop: ($0.70) Q 7 T (2 players)
                    SB checks, Hero checks

                    Turn: ($0.70) A (2 players)
                    SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1

                    River: ($3.70) 5 (2 players)
                    SB checks, Hero bets $2.10, SB raises to $5.75, Hero calls $3.65

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $15.20 pot ($0.68 rake)
                    Final Board: Q 7 T A 5
                    Hero mucked Q 7 and lost (-$7.55 net)
                    SB showed 3 K and won $14.52 ($6.97 net)



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                    Against a sapz villain and I just cant make these folds even though Im never good calling. Checking behind this river makes me chuck.
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                    04-03-2013 , 11:32 AM
                    You can't really get away with playing so loose pre flop when you're making so many big mistakes post-flop...
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                    04-03-2013 , 11:34 AM
                    Let the suckoutathon begin.....


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                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16819881

                      BTN: $7.63 (76.3 bb)
                      SB: $9.62 (96.2 bb)
                      BB: $10.10 (101 bb)
                      UTG+1: $10.35 (103.5 bb)
                      UTG+2: $4.55 (45.5 bb)
                      MP1: $7.12 (71.2 bb)
                      MP2: $13.02 (130.2 bb)
                      MP3: $21.29 (212.9 bb)
                      Hero (CO): $10.42 (104.2 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
                      5 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

                      Flop: ($0.65) 2 3 7 (2 players)
                      BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.55, BB raises to $2.60, Hero raises to $10.12 and is all-in, BB calls $7.20

                      Turn: ($20.25) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                      River: ($20.25) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                      Spoiler:
                      Results: $20.25 pot ($0.91 rake)
                      Final Board: 2 3 7 5 4
                      BB showed 7 7 and lost (-$10.10 net)
                      Hero showed A A and won $19.34 ($9.24 net)



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                      04-03-2013 , 11:35 AM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by The Logic of Sense
                      You can't really get away with playing so loose pre flop when you're making so many big mistakes post-flop...
                      I know, I just cant help it though. Like the session I just played was my best one results wise in days and all I have done is open really tight, never 3bet bluff and other than cbetting in good spots not made any bluffs.

                      Is that poker?
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                      04-03-2013 , 11:42 AM
                      It is if you're not very good.
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                      04-03-2013 , 11:43 AM
                      Well, it's a start. Once you can do that consistently without getting tilted then you can add more dimensions to your game. No offence, but a lot of the hands from the last couple of pages are pretty bad.

                      When you play loose and others play tight then it constantly feels like you never hit anything, that your opponents are always strong, and so on. This problem is compounded in Zoom where tight players are just folding their way to the nuts, and yet you probably feel like they're playing back a lot... only to be shown the nuts again.

                      You can only beat what's put in front on you at any level.
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                      04-03-2013 , 11:43 AM
                      At the very least its a slower way of losing.
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                      04-03-2013 , 11:59 AM
                      Is what you are doing poker? Looks like a monkey mashing the keyboard mate.
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                      04-03-2013 , 12:00 PM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by MartL
                      Thought it might get a reaction but anyway.....

                      Villain is 21/18 over 160 hands. He has a 3bet of 18% and has 3bet 6/6 from the BB. His steal stats are 60%, 67%,60% from the Co/BB/Sb respectively. I would be amazed if we made assumptions on the back of that and plugged the data in to AllInExpert and it would say that my shove with Axs is anything but +EV even though the villain is 10bb deeper than I might of liked.

                      I would hazard a guess that about a 50% range would be profitable but I wouldnt be surprised if it were more but anyone is free to give it a whirl.


                      your looking for excuses to be right. that shove with A3 was horribly -EV. you shoved into a loose shortstacker with a hand that is dominated here so much its rediculous. An SSer here is calling AT+ and most pairs yet he only needs a hand such a small % of the time to be profitable that it makes 0 sense to ever shove this. SSers don't like being 4bet bluffed, simple as that.


                      also your basing your moves on assumptions from a hand sample with little to no merit. 160 hands is not enough to assume he always plays this way long term, you need to learn how to use stats to your advantage and probably work on your ABC game instead of trying to outplay every 5nl baddy you run into.


                      I would suggest reading mental game, as I would put money on the fact that you probably hit a big downswing, lost your ability to control accumulated emotion, and now are playing simply bad poker and instead of trying to improve it you are blaming standard variance for everything, and making up excuses in every spot where you feel you played it good, when you didn't.

                      I think turning your game around properly will only start with mental game improvements, and Jared Tendler does it best in Mental Game, so order it online asap, stop lying to yourself and just keep clicking buttons hoping to become a pro

                      Spoiler:
                      it doesn't work like that
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                      04-03-2013 , 12:12 PM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by B Champman
                      your looking for excuses to be right. that shove with A3 was horribly -EV. you shoved into a loose shortstacker with a hand that is dominated here so much its rediculous. An SSer here is calling AT+ and most pairs yet he only needs a hand such a small % of the time to be profitable that it makes 0 sense to ever shove this. SSers don't like being 4bet bluffed, simple as that.


                      also your basing your moves on assumptions from a hand sample with little to no merit. 160 hands is not enough to assume he always plays this way long term, you need to learn how to use stats to your advantage and probably work on your ABC game instead of trying to outplay every 5nl baddy you run into.


                      I would suggest reading mental game, as I would put money on the fact that you probably hit a big downswing, lost your ability to control accumulated emotion, and now are playing simply bad poker and instead of trying to improve it you are blaming standard variance for everything, and making up excuses in every spot where you feel you played it good, when you didn't.

                      I think turning your game around properly will only start with mental game improvements, and Jared Tendler does it best in Mental Game, so order it online asap, stop lying to yourself and just keep clicking buttons hoping to become a pro

                      Spoiler:
                      it doesn't work like that
                      People can post what they want, that's the democratic nature of the internet. Most advice is really helpful, but I wanted to say, Mart knows nearly all of it. He is just in a place where it is difficult to play logically and objectively. Most long term players have been there.
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