gl.

Thanks. You too, very impressed with your results.

Someone should have told me not to do this. Moved some money over on Saturday, didnt realize TN didnt work properly, spent ages trying to set up Hem and TN without much luck and have yet to book a winning session since moving there. My attempts at clearing some of the bonus look a bit like $30 cleared and 8 Buy ins dropped.

No outright spew has happened yet although I must admit at times it has been a little frustrating as people show up with unlikely hands on a regular basis. I cant quite put my finger on what is wrong but the games do feel different play wise Im just not sure what it is. Ive yet to be shown a bluff when some one has raised me post flop and I have tended to start folding a lot when raised now but I cant seem to get paid off at the moment so its a slow down hill slope at the moment. Ive been stacked 6 times and only stacked some one once. Theres not much out of those hands that I can just say is terrible so Im not too worried im spewing or anything.

I might just give it a few more buy ins and then move back to Stars where I feel more comfortable but I dont want to quit on FT just yet.

want to post a few examples of where people show up with unlikely hands? and your six stackings? maybe you could have avoided one of them and reduced one? i'll take a look if you want.

Theres really none of them are too bad really. Ive just been through every pot ive played on FT where it has been bigger than 20bb`s. I have 35 hands where if I am been really harsh I have put in about $68 that I shouldnt have with a big chunk of that made up of 2 badly timed bluffs where really I should have called instead of raising.

The rest of the hands are just stuff like getting it in with an overpair and someone flopping a set or seeing a flop in a 5 bet pot with AA only for the villain to flop a straight. Going through the hands Ive made some really good folds that a few weeks ago I would have been calling to find out Im beat. Another one I flopped TP against a fish and rivered a back door flush only for me to raise his river bet and get shoved on by the nut flush.

Its worrying that I have dropped 9 buy ins in 5K hands but Im not playing that bad really Im just not winning any big pots and getting coolered or running in to big hands quite often at the moment so still hopeful it will turn around soon but as long as Im playing near my best thats the main thing. Would be nice to have a winning session though.

Flopping straights in 5 bet pots? Nice for some.. How are you handling it tilt wise?

Calling 5bets with QTs is +ev for that guy now.

Tilt wise awesome. Was a little frustrated as it seemed to get harder to put together a winning session but really pleased how I handled it. There was a little wobble but and litte bits of tilt arnt transfering to the table much if any at all at the moment. Decided I wouldnt play today and would just have a nosey at a few hands because havnt much time and really tired but going over those hands I realized Im still playing pretty well and a lot of the plays where theres stuff like river bets that are very thin Im pretty sure if I posted them most people would say it should be a bet.

After going over the hands I decided to play a little because I were happy with my play so played a very short session, about 300 hands, but managed to book a win. I could probably have played another 10 minutes or so but after not winning a session on FT yet I think this is one situation where it will probably help me a little just to book it and forget about thinking I cant win a session.

Hows Poker going for you?

At least you're rebuilding confidence and not tilting so making progress, just need a turn in fortunes on the tables and you'll be on your way

Its been going pretty good although i've not had chance to play a whole lot this month because I've been really busy again(prob done like 8k lol) but I'm rolled to move up to 5nl now so may just grind the rest of the month out at 2nl and go from there. I'm pleased with how my game is coming along overall though and not tilting too much either so all good.

Discovered 8 tabling Zoom. Its fun, I wouldnt want to do it all the time but when Im playing well and making good decisions its going to give me the chance to get more volume in. If I could figure out how to do it best on FT it would give me the chance to clear the bonus a lot quicker.

Went up to about a 10 buy in drop at one point on FT but have just about halfed that now along with still doing well on stars when I have played there.

Just as we speak Im just wondering about 4 tables of Zoom 6max and 4 of Rush 6max..........

what stakes are you playing at FT? also whats ur SN?

I'm playing there atm so we might have crossed each other a little.

Going to keep my screen name secret on this one lol. I did see you once though but I never take any notice of players names. Im playing NL25 at the moment.


Really happy with how my blind play is going at the moment although I was a bit loose with it at FT against unknowns which probably helped in me losing a lot of buy ins in a quick time but other than that its going really well. At the 30K mark for the month and my blinds now look like -3bb/100 in the SB and -37bb/100 in the BB which is really pleasing compared to last month.

Lol I almost replied to something on pg2!

Don't put too much weight on bb/100 by position. It takes tons of hands for those stats to be meaningful. Your 30k hands is only 5k from bb and just a couple of big pots won or lost can make all the difference over that small sample.

I know Martin's FT screen name YF ....

Im unwilling to divulge such information although im weak when bribes are involved ...

I'll start the bidding at $0.01?

You'll be fine. Think your strategy posts are really valuable and you can maintain an 8bb+ winrate easily at 50nl/100nl if you would play A game only.

Your problem however is not your A game, but your B and C game being extremely poor (based on some of the hands earlier in the thread and reading your though process in those hands).

It is not about me, but I think the difference between me and you is when I know I am not playing my A game, I just switch to a strategy that allows me to win playing B/C game and still be able to win (obv not as much but still +EV).

If you can find out in what spots you would be a winner playing A game, but lose playing B game, just try to avoid getting in those spots so you just can't make a bad decision.

Let's say you get 3bet and you are oop with 1010, and you know calling pre is +EV (and lets say game theory wise this is 100% correct), but know you might face some tricky decisions on later streets that are close. If you play A game you make the right decisions on later streets thus making calling pre +EV, but if you play B game you are making far more mistakes later in the hand spewing off stacks so calling pre is -EV.

So even if calling pre is standard and +EV (just preflop), you should fold playing B because now you are unable to butcher the hand on later streets, so not losing a lot more money on average because you know you are playing subpar and would only open yourself up for more spew resulting in more tilt.

If you can recognize these spots and learn a strategy so that you now autofold in these spots playing B, and only play hands that create situations that are +EV for playing B game and as a general gameplan is still a +EV strategy (but obv not optimal) it is a big improvement.

This is just a random situation but hope you know what I mean.

I know how frustrating tilt is. You know tilt is useless and only has disadvantages, most importantly the fact you don't enjoy playing poker when on tilt, which is what it is all about. And not being able to fix this leak makes you only tilt harder. But you can and will master it, just be patient and work at it like you do now.

I hope you do well. Best of luck and have fun!

ps not accepting staking because you feel you are not playing well and dropping down in stakes without getting a stake, even if you didn't have to is extremely classy imo.

Thank you, really cool post.

Last couple of days have been pretty weird where I managed to win about 4 buyins yesterday after an awful start and then today Ive simply spewed off about 9 buyins through pretty average play at best. Managed to tilt as well which frustrating because Ive had such a good month that has basically been ruined by todays play.

At the moment if I see a flop in a 3bet pot Im getting hammered as people seem to flop sets a lot or get to the river with unlikely hands and make flushes or straights which is simply killing my WR. On top of that lost a 300bb pot where I had 2nd set against 3rd set against a flush Flush draw got there on the river just to compound the day really.

Theres lots of areas that I really need to work on at the moment, I seem to be picking bad bluff spots against people who cant fold TP on 3 to a flush 4 to a straight boards which tilts me pretty hard because when the rolls are reversed and Im making hero calls people are repping what they actually have. Its obviously a slight setback but in the grand scheme of things its been a decent month so i shouldnt be too down just got to dust myself down and get back to playing my A game.

Self ban coming up but this is the kind of thing that Ive been seeing all day:-



River is probably a fold but seriously. I darnt even bet the turn because hey its a 3bet pot and I dont win in 3bet pots. Like even here the villain plays it as though he can see my cards. I mean how can he check the river to me and risk me checking behind?

i think ur 3b is borderline bad, just so many better hands u can choose, sizing looks bad also, u can go 2-3bb smaller.

id definitely be barreling off there, as played need more info to make a decision otr.

My 3bets tend to be around 11bb IP and 12bb OOP which I dont think is too out of the ordinary. I tend to find smaller ones dont really get the same respect which seems to be backed up with my 3bet success since changing to the larger sizing. I used to go between 9-10bb IP and 10-11bb oop but my 3bet success was something ridiculous around the 40% mark IIRC but would be higher at the normal tables so I decided to change to see what happens.

In regards to the hand I obviously dont think I can flat with the hand so I think my options are fold/3bet. I get all that about 3betting hands with blockers but Im not sure what difference it makes really. My 3bet is purely for a bluff and if I see a flop with 64s I know more where I stand(lol at that when I look at this hand) than with a hand like say A4s when I flop TP. Would be interesting to hear peoples thoughts in regards to the blockers thing although I will be self banned on here for a while for posting that ridiculous HH.

Good thing is I played well in my last session and after that hand I ran KK in to AA straight away as well and still managed to play well after that so all hope is not lost.

by 3betting smaller u allow yourself to 3bet more often. i also think if ppl adjust by calling ur 3bets more than they're making a bigger mistake than if they fold. plus if u see more flops IP then ur edge should be bigger.

I prefer 3betting A4s there bcos its easier to barrel good equity and we're going to flop much better in general anyway. whenever we flop top pair i think it shud be very easy to get 1/2 streets of value and know where we're at.

also think we win the hand more often w/64s by barreling scare cards/bluffing whereas with A4s we're going to be in many more spots where we're value betting.

nice threath
GL and subb'ed :P

I dont know really because from what Im seeing at the moment people arnt calling my 3bets that often meaning I can get away with bluffing more often. On the flip side maybe I lose action with AA/KK etc but long term once people see me 3betting a lot hopefully that would change. My 3bet success for the month is 60% at the moment so not really sure where that stands on average.

It seems to be working well but what is costing me is my reatrded bluffs that I am running post flop thinking people `should` fold when the reality is they are probably only looking at their own cards.

Will post my graphs for the month when my ban is over, just looking at them now and they are still a bit too spikey for my liking and theres a couple of 10 buyin downsing in them as well which makes for interesting viewing. 1 Of them I probably couldnt do much about but the one today was very poor and lost of bad play in there. Couple of days to redeem myself now.

should tell yourself as soon as you consider 3betting or when you make the 3bet that ur not gnna spew, should extend how long u feel focused and on your A-game as well imo.

64 3b is bad. Save that for when you're deeper.

@64 3bet is fine, flop is fine, turn sucks plz bet again, river is utter spew

will you ever get over your tilt issues? been following these threads for years cant believe your still bouncing between 5nl-25nl