really no need for comments like that...

btw .. 6 max sucks balls

Not even meant as an insult just a comparison. I hope you end up doing well too.

Thanks guys for the support, I think Hap_Hazard has it nailed really. Its just a constant struggle that is always there. Believe me when I say if you dont tilt you dont actually realize how lucky you are.

@lofcuk Have you read that book you suggested, whats your thoughts on it? Looks interesting and Ronnie O` Sullivan gave it a good review and his problems were well documented.

Still undecided what I am doing. Maybe I will just stop playing AK and problem solved. :-)

I found the Chimp Paradox to be hard work.

Not because of the subject or the theory, just the way it's written.

I think you have to be honest with yourself Martin and accept it will not be a quick fix.

All the theory and motivational stuff on its own will not work ... i know because ive tried that approach myself.

Your just going to have to sit down each session and cope a little better each time, but be realistic in your approach and not expect miracles to happen because they will not.

I would not even bother to keep a record on how your doing because in your own mind you will know how much you are improving because you will feel happier over time .. and frankly ... thats all that matters.

One brick at a time fella ..

PS ... my last session lasted 51 hands ...and you think you have problems !

Haha decided to play a little and just play really tight and simple.

It never lasts though.

I just cant seem to win any hand that gets further than me betting the flop and getting called.




I guess that hand is fine as we know his range and Im calling simply to try and stack a big pair. Other than flopping the nuts the flop is perfect.

The next hand is wishful thinking when I think I get the perfect run out.



The next one is AK again......happy to get it in pre but as soon as Im called I actually decide not to put another penny in unless I hit.




I then decide Im wasting my time 3betting AK. I literally get it in pre and will be short of flipping and not seeming to hit much or I hit and cant get paid off, or miss and bluff off my stack. So I then decide to just call pre and low and behold I hit a flop.




At the moment it dosnt seem to matter what I do as soon as I play a half decent size pot I get hammered. Its like Stars is throwing everything possible at me to stop me playing.

5 buyins down in 700 hands. Thats pretty uncool. Will soon have to drop down to NL5 if it continues. Again though I go back to something I have said before, I get that this game is about skill to a large extent but luck plays a massive part on how things turn out for you. I mean If I ran better these last few days I dont end up at this point but instead I take some beats and then start spewing and ending up in a vicious circle beating myself up over and over. Frustrating.

Its like people can see my cards and play perfect against me.........

Here the villain calls the flop and turn with a gut shot which obviously gets there on the river, he then overbets the river knowing Im calling.

Wow just wow.







Talk about soul crushing.

What are you doing shoving there with just a gutshot and zero fold equity? Hope you've taken another break now.

Srsly man, you need to just let pots go occasionally. Or else you're just rewarding bad play.

Which one? Open ender +2 overs B V B I dont think is too bad to be honest unless its a different one, there has been a lot lol.

I moved down hoping things would turn around.




It didnt.

Oh yeah, open-ender, doh. He's never folding after his 3bet OTF there though (unless he's appallingly bad), and your overs probably aren't good at that point, so I think shoving there is pretty likely to be EV- still.

Im not entirely sure how that works but I am probably getting direct odds from his 3bet to draw to the straight but I really dont like just calling.

Where abouts do you draw the line when it comes to studying?

Its like all this stuff I have done I am certain is beneficial but It dosnt matter because I forget it when I start to tilt.

So do I just dedicate myself to improving my tilt problems and largely leave the poker side of things and hope that I am good enough to wing it. If I can sort that side of things then I can obviously work on my poker but until this is under some control I am largely wasting my time in my opinion trying to work loads on my game when it would be time better spent working on my mental issues.

what happened between where you were at the stage when u could say you dont tilt anymore or very little. there was like a 2 month period where u didnt wasnt there? and now you seem to have regressed.

imo, you tilt now because theres no incentive for you to stop other than knowing its 'bad'. like you dont play professionally or semi-pro so the money doesnt really matter. moving up to make more $$ doesnt seem to grab ur attention other than its just doing what poker players do.

i think you should assess what you want from poker and then youll see how not tilting fits into that and actually have a reason to progress in that area other than just trying to improve for the sake of improvement.

i could be way off but its just my 2 cents, gl as always.

51 hands, boy that sure is a lot

I sort of forced myself through a bunch of long hour+ sessions to get used to it. Its always annoying to be playing well and at the end you look at the results and you're like down 60$ but thats just inevitable.
Got to look at the entire picture not focus on one little bit.

Best is to just try and reduce the time you need to get over tilt/stress/whatever so that you can play and be unaffected cause you move on so quickly

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I'm sorry but most of these hands are played really badly. Stop blaming it on luck and realise you have some pretty fundamental flaws in your game.

Yes, I found it very good. The author uses the chimp analogy as a vehicle to explain how you can't tame your emotions completely. But with specific practice and techniques, you can manage them. IMHO its good for life and poker. The author is the is the psychologist for Team GB and Sky cycling. Those results speak for themselves...

I didn't have any problems with it

Woooooosh.

You seem to have missed the point. You will notice that most regular posters in this thread havnt really bothered commenting on the HH`s that I have posted. I have a feeling thats because they know that I know I didnt play half of them well. Im not posting them because I want advice Im posting them to prove to myself that I am unlucky and never run good.

Not in a million years do I think I should be calling a 3bet in the spots I did with J9s or 66 or shoving 66 on a Turn card that improves the villains hand going on his percieved range when he has only showed strength, or betting all 3 streets against a fish who dosnt look likely to fold.

The major problem before was the rage tilt which on the whole has been cured apart from one relapse that I had a while back. I think the thing is once that was out of the way it has kind of highlighted some more subtle kinds of tilt that are showing up with more of a vengeance now.

Im still working with Elliot Roe and its still a work in progress but we have another session with him on Thursday and I just have to face that this is a problem that took years to develop and I cant just expect it to dissapear overnight which Is what I probably have been guilty of.

I think you make a very fair point about what I expect from poker. Been ultra competitive I want to play as high as I can but I also want to destroy the level that I am playing at and when that dosnt happen the tilt kicks in. Like I still havnt managed a day without looking at my results which is contributing to my downfall I feel.

Once the mist decends its not about moving up or making the best decisions its about making that bastard fold his hand. Thats is pretty sad but that is the best way I can sum it up.

Thanks. Looking at the long term was one of the things I were going to try and focus on but the reality is that it only lasted about 10 minutes in to my first session so pretty poor effort.

Ive some free time later this week so I might get it from Amazon and take a look at it. Thanks.

It does seem very much like when you're tilting you lose focus of what the ultimate aim is, and you're just trying to win as many individual hands as possible, rather than win the most money possible.

You seem to have missed the point that forgetting what you've learnt when you tilt, means you haven't really learnt it at all.

Its an interesting point you make from a psychological point of view but what if while making them plays I still know they are bad but do them anyway. Theres a crossover there in whether something is learnt to the unconscious competence level or whether I am just self sabotaging.

All three of the plays I mentioned I did despite saying to myself that I should fold 2 of them pre flop to the 3bet and the 3rd thinking I probably dont get many folds from a shove given what his range looked like. I did them because I wanted to win the hand making my opponent look weak by folding. Figure that one out.