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01-28-2014 , 07:03 PM
Will do mart, after doing some research it looks like i won't be playing lock. Gonna have to be merge or cake, so gonna go with carbon most likely since hem2 (will upgrade before i restart) covers that network, I'll make a thread in pg&c for u to troll me with :-)
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01-29-2014 , 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by lofcuk
Hey Mart

Just a quick post to let you know I am still alive!

I seem to have some of the same troubles as you, not tilt, but constant fish hitting 2 outer rivers. I am playing 5nl LOL, and not even beating that in the last three months, though this month is only just losing. I remember you calling bs on all those winning graphs people post, I agree, either I am the worst or the unluckiest player ever (OK maybe the worst) or those massive win rates don't happen.

Is the study group still going? I could use a lot of help, but don't think I could contribute much.

Simon
Hey Simon, study group is still running but really only accepting people who are going to be able to contribute sorry. We had quite a few people join off 2+2 who simply did not get involved and it was unfair on the others so we had to change things up a bit.

I remember calling bs but if Im honest I should have just called bs on myself. I was kidding myself rather than telling myself that i had become a break even player and rather than admit that to myself I used to say that it was because of tilt or bad luck. I dont really have the time to put in that I want to put in but I have tried to be honest with myself and I know that I have a lot of work to do and hopefully I am slowly getting there but I know it will take time.

The last two months I started with 14 buyin downswings in both, that would normally be enough to crush me but it didnt this time. The first one I had my best month of the year and this month I have just got back to BE even though Im also running badly under EV. I think the main thing is trying to pin point what or where you are going wrong and try and strip back all the other stuff.

If you need any help like looking at hands or anything or going over stats or even want to record a vid for me to look at then do. I mean that, just PM me or post them somewhere so I can have a look or hit me up on skype or something but I will take a look and I will give you an honest assesment of your play and how I think you can do better.
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01-29-2014 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by lau808
Will do mart, after doing some research it looks like i won't be playing lock. Gonna have to be merge or cake, so gonna go with carbon most likely since hem2 (will upgrade before i restart) covers that network, I'll make a thread in pg&c for u to troll me with :-)

Yeah get a thread up so I can kick your ass.
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01-29-2014 , 11:20 AM
Nice one Mart I hear you. The root of our lack of expected success lies within ourselves, I agree. But it would be nice if just for a few days or sessions, the 27/10 station we trapped did not hit that gutshot on the river they were praying for.

I understand we are not entitled to anything but geez, could the math even out for a while?

Anyways, I will take you up on that offer of help, I will think about how best to proceed and send you a pm. The analysis you did on a vid from last year, was excellent.

Maybe one day, I can get to a level where I am helping others.

Cheers

Simon
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01-29-2014 , 12:36 PM
Don't mean to hijack your thread, but may I post just one example from session now.







    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22996201

    MP2: $0.76 (15.2 bb)
    MP3: $4.24 (84.8 bb)
    CO: $2.15 (43 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $5.84 (116.8 bb)
    SB: $12.41 (248.2 bb)
    BB: $3.51 (70.2 bb)
    MP1: $5.48 (109.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 T
    4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

    I steal because sb is 30/5 0.7 3bet and 75% fold to steal 5.9k hands (yes, really, this guy never moves out of 5nl)
    bb is 39/14 0.0 3bet but only 40 hands

    Flop: ($0.45) 8 4 Q (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.30

    So the stations have something from 3rd pair to draws

    Turn: ($1.35) 5 (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

    Error on my part as didn't barrel?

    River: ($1.35) 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, BB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $1.80, SB folds, BB raises to $3.06, Hero calls $1.26

    Yep monkey spew from me I admit and aware, but he wasn't full stacked, which compounded my error

    Results: $7.47 pot ($0.31 rake)
    Final Board: 8 4 Q 5 7
    Hero showed 6 T and lost (-$3.51 net)
    SB mucked and lost (-$0.45 net)
    BB showed T 9 and won $7.16 ($3.65 net)



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    So he calls flop bet with nothing! no pair no draw. Is his plan to hit runner runner something? I know these players will pay us in the long run yada yada, but the long run isn't starting for me.

    If I play abc then I don't steal against loose passives, but is that +ev when their fold to steal is high? There maybe many errors with my game, but how does it get punished so severely so often?

    I promise not to post anymore and will seek (medical) help.
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    01-29-2014 , 02:41 PM
    What i would have done differently is r/f the river but I'm no winning player either
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    01-29-2014 , 04:08 PM
    Problem all starts pre in that hand. BB is coming along a lot and T6o is just not really a hand you want to have here. You can still be stealing a ton but this is just too weak.
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    01-29-2014 , 04:33 PM
    Hey MartL, didn't realise you had one of these - in fact I didn't realise tons of people I know have them. Subscribing to follow along. Good luck with all your goals for this year.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lofcuk
    So he calls flop bet with nothing! no pair no draw. Is his plan to hit runner runner something? I know these players will pay us in the long run yada yada, but the long run isn't starting for me.
    Nothing? He had a gutshot and bdfd and was getting 3.5:1. Folding is out of the question, only consideration really is whether to raise or call. Calling is probably best because he's getting really good direct odds, great implied odds in a 3-way pot, his hand is nice enough to not want to get raised off, and it plays quite easily on the turn. And like Husker says, T6o prob not a good steal with two loose fish in the blinds.
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    01-29-2014 , 05:54 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PokerRon247
    Hey MartL, didn't realise you had one of these - in fact I didn't realise tons of people I know have them. Subscribing to follow along. Good luck with all your goals for this year.



    Nothing? He had a gutshot and bdfd and was getting 3.5:1. Folding is out of the question, only consideration really is whether to raise or call. Calling is probably best because he's getting really good direct odds, great implied odds in a 3-way pot, his hand is nice enough to not want to get raised off, and it plays quite easily on the turn. And like Husker says, T6o prob not a good steal with two loose fish in the blinds.
    OK thanks guys, Ron that looks like to 2:1 he was getting there, and I am not sure it's +ev to chase those gutshots. I don't think you get any implied flush here, as it's a standard fold when it hits (usually, with no tilt I mean).

    But I have messed up Marts thread enough already. Buona fortuna.
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    01-29-2014 , 05:56 PM
    There's $1.05 in the pot after your bet and the call from the SB. He only has to call $0.30
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    01-30-2014 , 11:10 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Husker
    There's $1.05 in the pot after your bet and the call from the SB. He only has to call $0.30
    Oops forgot the sb was in, my bad, no wonder I suck.
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    01-30-2014 , 02:05 PM
    Hey mart, do u have leakbuster? I was curious what u thought of it
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    01-30-2014 , 04:37 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lofcuk
    Don't mean to hijack your thread, but may I post just one example from session now.


      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22996201

      MP2: $0.76 (15.2 bb)
      MP3: $4.24 (84.8 bb)
      CO: $2.15 (43 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $5.84 (116.8 bb)
      SB: $12.41 (248.2 bb)
      BB: $3.51 (70.2 bb)
      MP1: $5.48 (109.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 T
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

      I steal because sb is 30/5 0.7 3bet and 75% fold to steal 5.9k hands (yes, really, this guy never moves out of 5nl)
      bb is 39/14 0.0 3bet but only 40 hands

      Flop: ($0.45) 8 4 Q (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.30

      So the stations have something from 3rd pair to draws

      Turn: ($1.35) 5 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      Error on my part as didn't barrel?

      River: ($1.35) 7 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $1.80, SB folds, BB raises to $3.06, Hero calls $1.26

      Yep monkey spew from me I admit and aware, but he wasn't full stacked, which compounded my error

      Results: $7.47 pot ($0.31 rake)
      Final Board: 8 4 Q 5 7
      Hero showed 6 T and lost (-$3.51 net)
      SB mucked and lost (-$0.45 net)
      BB showed T 9 and won $7.16 ($3.65 net)



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      So he calls flop bet with nothing! no pair no draw. Is his plan to hit runner runner something? I know these players will pay us in the long run yada yada, but the long run isn't starting for me.

      If I play abc then I don't steal against loose passives, but is that +ev when their fold to steal is high? There maybe many errors with my game, but how does it get punished so severely so often?

      I promise not to post anymore and will seek (medical) help.
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Husker
      Problem all starts pre in that hand. BB is coming along a lot and T6o is just not really a hand you want to have here. You can still be stealing a ton but this is just too weak.
      Agree with Husker this is far too weak to open with. Im a spew monkey and I wouldnt open this in this spot with those players behind.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by PokerRon247
      Hey MartL, didn't realise you had one of these - in fact I didn't realise tons of people I know have them. Subscribing to follow along. Good luck with all your goals for this year.
      Thanks. Sorry though this is an old thread and at the moment i dont have any plans to rekindle it. Most of my hand history discussions usually go through the study group that Im in now rather than on here as I tend to turn these in to bad beatathons. You are quite welcome to have a look at the study group if you wish though if you like.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by lau808
      Hey mart, do u have leakbuster? I was curious what u thought of it

      Yeah I have it. I like it but I dont use it as much as I should, also worth mentioning Im getting coaching off the guy whos program it is as well.
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      01-30-2014 , 04:50 PM
      Ha well thats just as good lol, getting ready to start my thread but pondering the title atm
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      01-30-2014 , 06:03 PM
      http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17.../#post41992914

      Here u go mart! Dont get all grossed out when i load my graphs in a few days
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      02-03-2014 , 01:41 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by lau808
      http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17.../#post41992914

      Here u go mart! Dont get all grossed out when i load my graphs in a few days
      You won't gross Mart out, he has seen many of my HH's, he will be in therapy for many years before there's a breakthrough.
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      02-03-2014 , 01:45 PM
      It'll make him feel better watching my roller coaster graph and say damn, i guess it could be worse, i could be Lau lol
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