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03-28-2013 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by The Logic of Sense
Even if someone 3 bets only 6-7%, it's difficult to know how much they're 3 betting against you specifically, so hard to work out how much you can open.
HEM2 tells you this.
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03-29-2013 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by YouFaiil
its not really hard to defend vs 3bets and once u do enough the target will soon be off ur back
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Originally Posted by The Logic of Sense
The problem with abusing the button too much is that everyone at 100nl+, even most of the braindead regfish, are going to adjust and 3 bet you a lot. Then either you have to defend an optimal amount, which is really hard given your super wide range, or keep folding to 3 bets and you end up being the one getting exploited (plus if you're fold to 3 bet is really high you'll get 3 bet more and more).

I've been playing around with it but haven't pinned down anything like an optimal button stealing frequency. Even if someone 3 bets only 6-7%, it's difficult to know how much they're 3 betting against you specifically, so hard to work out how much you can open.
Yeah I should imagine that Im going to be stealing 60%+ as thats about how much I stole at FR. I dont think thats a problem at NL25 and below because players simply arnt good enough to adapt well enough but I think its certainly a problem above that but then its working out who is adjusting and then we can tighten up our opening range against them or maybe change our opening size as well against them so we can defend against the 3bets that we expect to come.

Hopefully I will get the chance to find out.
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03-29-2013 , 11:33 AM
Hud is finished and think I have everything I want and need in there will give it a whirl at some point and see how I go.

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03-29-2013 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker
HEM2 tells you this.
Indeed it does, I can see vshero option being used more and more as I improve.

Oh, and thanks for those answers Mart.

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03-29-2013 , 12:39 PM
Cool HUD, or should I say ..

Spoiler:
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03-29-2013 , 01:43 PM
Haha it may need trimming depending how much fits on screen but Im going to have a bit more room on a 6max table and theres really not all that much on there but its the abbreviations that are taking up a lot of the space but I feel I need them otherwise I will get lazy and forget to use stuff.

I guess if need be I can trim the turn and river stuff as its going to be difficult to get sample sizes that make them useful.
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03-29-2013 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MartL
Haha it may need trimming depending how much fits on screen but Im going to have a bit more room on a 6max table and theres really not all that much on there but its the abbreviations that are taking up a lot of the space but I feel I need them otherwise I will get lazy and forget to use stuff.

I guess if need be I can trim the turn and river stuff as its going to be difficult to get sample sizes that make them useful.
Agreed, only have what you actually look at, not what you think you need. I have binned agg % recently for this reason. If I can't tell how agg a player is by vpip/pfr profile plus 3bet stat I may as well just click buttons (+ cbet stats too obv)
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03-30-2013 , 06:39 AM
Its looking a bit crowded when playing(I tried it on NL2). It took me a while to sort out the North/South seating which has given me a bit of room but still my screen looks very crowded. Ive made the table bigger which is ok as I guess Im only going to be 2 tabling 6max Zoom so I can just about get away with it but the numbers are probably a bit small for me to notice so need to come up with another plan.

The options are really cut out a lot of the numbers which I dont really want to do because I feel I can make more use of them been on screen rather than been in pop ups. So other than that my options are buy a table mod which increases space around the table or think about buying Hem 2 which does have the street by street Hud which would save space. It also has Vs Hero Stats and I would get full use out of my Notecaddy license as well. Problem with that is that everyone keeps telling me its a POS.

Will have to decide soon because im hoping to play either today or tomorrow starting at NL10.

Edit: Hem2 Street by street only works apparently if your chat is on the table and I have mine detached because it annoys me and gives me more space.
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03-30-2013 , 07:06 AM
Looking forward to seeing how you get on in 6 max ..

Thinking of making the switch myself in a couple of months ... depending on how well my step up to $25nl FR goes.
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03-30-2013 , 07:29 AM
I have recently gone HEM2. I don't use the street by street as I don't think I need it at 25nl, will think about it though.

Also tried the notecaddy bundled with hem2, don't think its full version, but it was garbage. Vague auto notes like 'plays draw aggressively'. Dunno if I am using it right, but now turned it off as well as autorate.

I really need to sort something regarding notes, as so far, I have never written a single note on any villain. I either think the opponents are not around long enough (maybe make notes on long term regs?) or, how do I know that note is going to help in a different situation?

Will post a question in strat, see what response I get.
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03-30-2013 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lofcuk

I really need to sort something regarding notes, as so far, I have never written a single note on any villain. I either think the opponents are not around long enough (maybe make notes on long term regs?) or, how do I know that note is going to help in a different situation?
You take a note of the situation and don't write an essay. Bvb 4b A7o to xxx. C/r river on xxxxx showdown xxx previous streets bet bet. I personally have essays worth of notes on regs, but they are helpful. By far more helpful than NOT taking notes. I also take notes of whales who I may never see again. Whether villain stays around for 20 hands, or 200 hands, if you take a note, and you can potentially make a better read on him the next hand because of this note I don't see how you can not take it.
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03-30-2013 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
You take a note of the situation and don't write an essay. Bvb 4b A7o to xxx. C/r river on xxxxx showdown xxx previous streets bet bet. I personally have essays worth of notes on regs, but they are helpful. By far more helpful than NOT taking notes. I also take notes of whales who I may never see again. Whether villain stays around for 20 hands, or 200 hands, if you take a note, and you can potentially make a better read on him the next hand because of this note I don't see how you can not take it.
Don't want to derail Marts thread, but that example you gave, can't I see that with hud stats. I mean I should see his range and get a general idea how he is going to play, without noting exactly what happened?
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03-30-2013 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by lofcuk
Don't want to derail Marts thread, but that example you gave, can't I see that with hud stats. I mean I should see his range and get a general idea how he is going to play, without noting exactly what happened?
No because some of these stats take thousands of hands to converge into a reliable stat. 4b stat isn't something you just go by over 200 hands.

The hand he showed down could be a much more better indication of his playstyle than his c/r % on the river. And once again, lots of these stats take way too many hands before they are reliable.

But like I said in the micro forum thread, why wouldn't you take notes? Even if it's something as simple as ''opens AA to 5x'' you still have a read that your hud simply can not provide you.
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03-30-2013 , 10:34 AM
Stats can never make up for good notes. I play on Bovada right now, and even with anonymous players where notes only last till the table closes, I still take notes. I could probably just remember this stuff, and usually don't need to reference the note, but it's still important to write something down (which makes sure you remember it), and leave an indicator of who did what. "Loves TP", "FP = bluff", "Raises TP", "Doesn't fold draws", "Overbets are always bluffs". Those are actually notes I can remember taking just in the last week or two, and especially if you're not playing on a site where your notes disappear after you close the table, those previous notes will all make you $. That said, I think big notes like the one a few posts ago are inefficient and distracting. It has to be something abnormal that you're noting, and you have to note it quickly (thus having small notes) so you have time to process and understand its value before the hand ends. Too many notes is a bad thing.

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03-30-2013 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by lofcuk
Don't want to derail Marts thread, but that example you gave, can't I see that with hud stats. I mean I should see his range and get a general idea how he is going to play, without noting exactly what happened?

Dont worry bout it, its all relevant.

In regards to notes I dont take any at all myself. Even if I did then I would get lazy and not look at them or have the problem that I cant process the information quickly enough while playing.

I have a notecaddy license that I purchased before Hem 2 came out and although I do think the program is good I still dont really use it as much as I should. Its like the ranges that it says people call with, I really should have an idea of stuff like that any way but some of the stuff like telling you what range they are raising flops and turns with and how often they fold to raises can be really useful but again in game I dont really check it that much but I might try and start using it this time round because It can catch some things that we miss.

The color coding thing in notecaddy is a great idea but Ive never got it to work for Stars for some reason.

Poker wise Im probably going to play my first session of NL10 6max tonight and will probably record the session for anyone who wants a laugh.
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03-30-2013 , 02:32 PM
You know what ... i might join you Martin ..

Ive been playing the 180's for a few days and went back to 16 tabling the FR tables today ... and just found it a little too tedious.

Care to explain as to why your making the switch from FR to 6 max ?

I think i will switch to 6 max and play a max of 10 tables and actually enjoy the game a little more.

Probably means ill have to re-jig the HUD a little and alter my TST settings ... but it might actually be fun !!
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03-30-2013 , 03:18 PM
I full ring ! But since I heard switching to 6max is mandatory when reaching higher micro levels I'm interested how you will handle it.

Therefore I wish you guys both good luck and to have fun !
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03-30-2013 , 03:25 PM
Switching to a new gametype you probably don't want to be playing 10 tables, even if you 16 table FR. 4-6 is usually best, and even 9 is excessive for the first 10,000 hands or so. You should be consciously focusing on what you have to change, optimizing your strategy for the new gametype and learning and that's hindered by every additional table. I remember marking down FR players who decided to mass table 6m as a special type of fish back in the day. I obviously don't encounter them any more (bovada), but they were always easy to spot and in love with the fold button. It's not just "I win at FR, time to win at 6m."
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03-30-2013 , 06:19 PM
Right just going to play my first session of NL10 and have deposited about $150. Im going to the record the session for anyone who is interested, theres not going to be any audio or anything, I thought about it but then couldnt get my microphone to work so may need a new one.

Main things to concentrate on here are not checking Hem, betsizing and stealing.

Wish me luck.
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03-30-2013 , 06:20 PM
gllgl
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03-30-2013 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MartL
Right just going to play my first session of NL10 and have deposited about $150. Im going to the record the session for anyone who is interested, theres not going to be any audio or anything, I thought about it but then couldnt get my microphone to work so may need a new one.

Main things to concentrate on here are not checking Hem, betsizing and stealing.

Wish me luck.
MAN ! Just focus on right decisions and a good play only. Every time you will be able to find out you made good decision .. feel free to feel happy about it. Don't bother with counting money/coolers 'n stuff.

I will be railing once you will post the video !

GL and don't forget to HAVE FUN !
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03-30-2013 , 06:54 PM
Don't over adjust.
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03-30-2013 , 07:15 PM
Thanks guys. Just sorting the video out now and will get it on Youtube asap. Probably not a bad video as there were quite a few interesting spots that came up. I just about got stacked early in the video when I turned 2 pair after the villain had raised the flop blind vs blind when I had tp. I then ran pretty well in some spots and there were also a few interesting double barrel spots that came up.

I probably got a bit loose but a lot of the time it feels like Im playing in LP in FR so I almost feel as though theres less chance that someone has a hand meaning I can open pretty wide. If I manage to move up I guess I will probably tighten up naturally as I ended up playing something like 30/26 with an 8% 3bet.

Was a fun session though.
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03-30-2013 , 07:19 PM
Looking forward to seeing this video mate, GL
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03-30-2013 , 10:08 PM
Having problems sorting the video out so may be some time yet. Ive been playing and experimenting and dropped a few buy ins. People simply cant fold, its just amazing how light people will call you down. Its pretty cool to actually be able to raise TP for value rather than just having to flat it in FR.

Its likely going to take me a while to adjust but im still looking forward to learning how it plays and still cant get my head round when I get my stack in and get called by second pair. I just have to make sure I have a hand when I do it in the future lol.
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