Yeh but your team has to keep possession though, even stood up.

Yes, Fanaments has gone live this week in the UK. Been playing free roll contests since their beta launch last season.

Agree think they will do very well too. They have not forgotten the fun element that these games should entail. Fun and engaging is way to go.

You need humor dealing with all these DFS platform's. They are a bit like no-frill airlines scrimping and lackadaisical.

They remind me how tricky choosing which no-frills airline to use. Ryan air will not allow you to bring snacks on board, drops you off in another town far away from your destination. Easy Jet is fussy with carry-on luggage and wants to charge you. Both do not give you much leg room and it is a cramped experience.
The customer complaints are brushed under the carpet or ignored.

Unlike DFS you can ditch them and upgrade to use a proper airline like BA.

In DFS it is all no-frills, the customer is an after-thought. We await a premium quality service.

Let me have a look at this a bit more deeper. For example for Game Week 20 there is enough stats for tackles won, interceptions, fouls won and committed, successful passes, touches etc...

But successful dribbles should not be included, this stats are marginal and hardly covered under player stats. If they are, will like to know where.

Regarding big chances created, again these stats while important will not make a huge difference in daily fantasy sports. Let us have a look.

Game week 20 just one player had two big chances created - it was Emre Can. These other players created just one big chance - Costa, Young, Puncheon, Howson, Giroud, Willian, Ulloa, Sigurdsson, Martina, Stanislas, Joselu, King, Firmino and Ayoze Perez.

The same with crosses they really should not be included. Total successful crosses (excluding corners) top three was Cresswell - 4, Young, Brunt & Puncheon - 3. Then a lot of other players with just one or two successful crosses.

Shots on target top three - Carroll - 5, Defoe 3, Rooney 3, Wijndalum 3 and Antonio 3.

Touches top three - Fabgregas - 117, Drinkwater - 101 and Carroll - 99

Open play successful passes top three - Fabregas - 91, Drinkwater - 76 and Mikel - 75

Tackles won top three - Azpilicueta - 7, Smith - 6, Noble & Flamini -5

Interceptions top three - Capoue - 8, Noble & Gueye - 6

Fouls committed top three - Lamela - 5, Martin, Tomkins & Shaqiri - 3

Penalties conceded - 1 Penalty saved - 1

Yellow cards - 28 Red Cards - 3

Even tackles that are deemed to be 'successful' by Opta or whoever else don't always mean that the team making the tackle kept possession, e.g ball goes out for a throw or corner.

Agree with Bigo that making a lot of tackles isn't really correlated with player or team quality. Another example everyone always talks about is Paolo Maldini - he is widely regarded as one of the best defenders ever and yet he is reported to have only made 0.5 tackles per game or something ridiculous. Not sure whether that is actually true but the point is that defensive skill is much harder to judge by looking at stats than attacking skill.

I am an advocate of rewarding chances created as well; however chances created = key passes + assists. Imo it's better to reward key passes and assists separately, with assists being worth more points.

Successful dribbles are not directly useful but they do often lead to a shot or key pass, so it does make sense to reward them slightly (although it's not something I personally would consider an essential part of a fantasy scoring system).

Chances created and big chances are different things.

This, we were talking about passes that lead to shots Garrincha67, of which there are far more than 2 a game.
Looking at last week:
Ozil 8
Sessegnon 5
Arter 5
Silva 4
Cabaye 4
Kolarov 4
Perez 4

Then everyone below 4. These numbers aren't always so high though and vary enough, over the last 6 game weeks:
Ozil 25
De Bruyne 22
Willian 22
Vertout 17
Eirksen 16

Then all 15 and below. So only 5 players have created more than 2.5 chances per game, not a lot, but there's plenty of upside gw to gw which should mean less likelihood of scores being drawn.

Those key passes/shot assists numbers you listed are for game week 19.

Key Passes/Shot Assists for Game week 20 top three:

1. Emre Can - 6

2. Ashley Young - 4 Adam Johnson - 5 David Silva - 4 Mesut Ozil - 4 Aaron Cresswell - 4 Oscar - 4 KDB - 4 Carroll - 4. Then few players on 3 and 2.


Then let us have a look for Key passes/Shot assists for the season top 10. They are for the majority midfield players.

1. Mesut Ozil - 84

2. Kevin De Bruyne - 55

3. Dusan Tadic - 50

4. Christian Eriksen - 50

5. Dimitri Payet - 49

6. Eden Hazard - 45

6. Willian - 45

8. Moussa Sissoko - 38

8. Marc Albrighton - 38

8. Alberto Moreno - 38

8. Riyad Mahrez - 38

Big chances created top ten for the season.

1. Mesut Ozil - 20

2. Riyad Mahrez - 12

3. Moussa Sissoko - 8

4. Xherdan Shaqiri - 7

4. Santiago Cazorla - 7

4. Gerard Deulofeu - 7

4. Sadio Mane - 7

10. Cesc Fabregas - 6

10. Dimitri Payet - 6

10. Marco Arnautovic - 6

10. Troy Deeney - 6

10. Willian - 6

10. Roberto Frimino - 6

With these stats being given consideration and afforded scoring points. One will have to play 3-5-2 and the game will favor the midfield players much more. If you do look around there are DFS sites where playing it like this is one best chance to cash.

I have no issue with detailed scoring, but it does not need to be unnecessarily complex for the sake of it.

It is a sport and a game. Not the stock market and trading. For that one can learn trading and play here.

https://whoscored.buabook.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkM-PcqnN6w

This is a bit of a joke tbh...







Only 4 fixtures on the 3pm start slate and one of them won't have confirmed lineups! (No late swap either obv..)

7 of the 3pm KOs include at least one EPL team and 13 matches are with teams from Champ or EPL only. Seems crazy to not design a slate based around those games, but we get Eastleigh vs Bolton instead (which is likely to be postponed anyway)...

I believe they've said before they can't get stats for some of these types of games so that's why they have small slates. Not sure why that is tho

Has anyone any experience getting through to Mondogoal support? I submitted a ticket a while ago and did not receive a response. When I click the link in the email I get told that I have submitted 'inavlid data' - Do they even have a customer service section!?

Including a late game for an Fa Cup... you'd have to be clairvoyant to predict that Utd line up. No idea what sort of team they'll play.

Hey guys, just read the whole thread and it has some amazing posts. Im getting started in dfs soccer and had no idea that there are a bunch of sites offering the service outside the US. Until this thread i only knew about mondogoal and duelo futbol, so i guess this sites are doing a pretty bad job at marketing their product. You guys think this is the main reason dfs soccer aint taking off or the sports is just not properly suited for dfs ?

It hasn't taken off in UK because there aren't huge prize pools yet.

If you build it they will come. Basically just waiting on dk.

Welcome klaptoo. Thanks for the heads up on duelo futbol, first time reading about them in the link below now. Start-up DFS platform from Chile to coincide with Copa America and wish them the best of luck.

http://blog.europeandomaincentre.com/duelo-futbol/

There are indeed a lot of sites outside the US offering daily/weekly fantasy for soccer. Soccer is perfectly suited for DFS, millions of people play the official premier league fantasy game. Around 3.4 million people and have fun with it.

These platform's for sure need to market their product much better and for now they are not doing that. Also there is a lot of short-term attitude, we still awaiting a superior product with excellent customer service. For now most DFS platform's have rough edges and flaws.

Bigger prize pots are always welcome of course, but as they say why put the cart before the horse. The priority should be on a polished superior product and that is marketed without being cheesy.

For example offering FA cup contests with players missing from the list and also with staggered kick-off time resulting in high risk of picking non-starting players is amateurish. Can you market a product successfully with such obvious shortcomings ? I do not think so!

What are the pros and cons between 8 and 11 man lineups ? I dont get why more sites dont use the 8 players lineup since its more fun and quicker.

pretty sure DK developed their 11 man rosters with hope that it would better appeal to UK players.

problem is they're never entering the UK

Yeah it makes sense since the 11 man rosters seem more appealing to the casual soccer fan.


Btw, i tried out fanaments and the site is simply amazing. The guys behing the site did a great job and are by far the best site outside the US by a mile, i really hope they get some traction this year.

Has DK just not posted most of their Wed tournaments yet? Strange to me that the small Tuesday slate is bigger than the Wednesday one.

No they hadn't afaik. They always wait for mid week slates to post the second day contests after the Tues contests finish.

8 man roosters can work but as we all know user habits do not change easily. There are five aside games like PickLive, FanFeud and Playdribble. These are more of a niche though, most games seasonal & daily use 11 man roosters.

Fanaments launched the beta version around April 2015, they used the remaining few games of the season as an experiment with prizes paid in tokens. Those tokens will be converted into € in the new season in August 2015 as long as users completed the survey questions.

They used the survey feedback over the summer to work on their site and launched on time in the new season. As you can see it has resulted in a smooth & fun platform. So good luck to them, will be playing there regularly now they are active in the UK with the license granted.

Really like the platform and their live scoring is much better than most. They could do with a few extra contests with staggered KO times and will be relying on players being happy with double points for captains & their choice of stats provider. Definitely one to keep an eye on.

It's kind of weird that you can only deposit in euros (for brits) at fanaments, and they take 3% on card deposit (presumably on top of our own bank's pound to euro conversion fee).

TY for your help, yes Opta is the source.

I highly appreciate everyone's help. I have replied to the PMs I that were sent as well, thanks for that.

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