Dk switched to opta so they could eventually offer more leagues.

loooooooool MG made the 10k a 10 pound buyin and it still has 100 entry max

damned , i hope they have few players. Stupid idea of the new year

Yes, will not surprise me if someone is mug enough to make 100 entries which will cost £1k in buy-in. Or this GPP end up as one with few dozen sharks playing each other with very high number of multi-entries.

Increasing buy-in's every few weeks will not resolve the main obstacle from large field contests filling. Smacks of desperation than a strategic business decision.

What next increase to £15 or £20 to buy-in contests ? Gameweek 20 still has Watford vs Man City late kick off, with a big chance of non starting players due to rotation. Ridiculous to increase fee's with such sub-standard line up editing features that becomes less & less acceptable come mid way to the season.

Amateurish!!!

Have any of you guys noted whether or not the overlays have reduced when they have been putting the buy ins up?

Nope they have not at all. Contests have filled around 65-70% mark.

30% overlays every game weeks they have offered (19 of them).

Their unique users are down to 280 and they replying on people copying teams or making multiple entries. Not a sustainanle way to go at all.

I can not see them getting more new users with the way their run their games. There are lots other DFS games which hold much appeal to new players currently.

Garrincha did you get any prize for winning last years EPL leaderboard on playon?

Many thanks for the responses Garrincha and DuckSauce - they were very helpful. I'll concentrate on MG for now then.

How do you know there are only 280 users? Is there a tracking site of some kind?

It was a clear improvement. Shootout almost filled today (despite the drop in unique users). Overlay from 25/30% to 11%. I guess they will stick with the £10 buy in

Once you have entered a contest, you can check final number of unique players by going to details on the top right hand corner. When you click Details, there is a an option that says Players, press that you get final number of players with their username.

So for Gameweek 20 GPP, the total entries was 881 and number of unique players was 220, meaning each players was entering an average of 4 teams. At the start of the season they had around 600 unique players and has dwindled steadily since then.

As much as I like DFS games, I will be amazed if most of these sites will be around for much longer. You can guess what that number will be when we reach Game Week 38, 50-100 unique players. It is a tough sell.

I missed out slightly on the leaderboard for Playon last season. I think that is a great idea and Totel Football used to do the same. They had a top ten score average leaderboard with very decent prizes to collect at the end of the season.

Think this is one way you can keep some players interested to stick around. Say the Mondogoal shootout GPP, they can use the highest scores from each game week or highest ten scores average to do an overall leaderboard with prizes going to those finishing in the top 5 or 10 of the leaderboard.

I mentioned this to Mondogoal last season as a suggestion. So with a leaderboard and in addition to an end of season big prize championship contest you can engage players to stick around. Make the games have broad appeal, that simple.

The current site says you won it last year, so it is bad they dont have the real results:
http://imgur.com/o81wFTY

I think that was top leaderboard position for 2014, so was doing well then. But the overall leaderboard come May 2015 was different and the winner picked a nice 1k prize.

Playon are now the oldest UK DFS site, looks like they want to be a long term multi-sport platform.

Which are your fav DFS sites Ronaldo ? I have played pretty much most of the UK sites now. Just trying out bet4best since Gameweek 18.

Yeah, I saw that previously as being 220. When you said 280 I thought there was a way (like poker) to see total users that week or something.

Agree with the second part really. The UK has a huge love of football and a strong interest in gambling, so it seems very logical that something like DFS could take off here. As you've alluded too, many people bet in play or complete a weekly acca. Im not a gambler, but I know most of my mates do something on a weekly basis. For years my parents did 'the pools' if you remember them - basically betting which games would be draws but they would often do it like a lottery and just pick games according to the number they were assigned on the betting slip.

For my mind, I've read a stat from DraftKings that says 91% of all winnings are won by 1.3% of the playerbase. That, to me, seems hugely unsustainable and it is in part due to regs being able to enter the same LU all over the place with minimal effort. For example, I noticed KanuFTW (clearly a reg and prob a poker player reading this thread too!) this week playing £110/£250 entries as well as playing £2/£5 entries. If people rocked up to play 2NL on stars and were having to play Ike/Kanu/Sauce etc the game would not have grown at all.

The exact numbers for the Christmas period in unique players are - GW 18 GPP (293) and GW 19 boxing day GPP (262) both at £5 entry. Then with a hiked entry price of £10 today's GW 20 GPP (220). If they could hold on to 300 unique players at the end of the season that will be an achievement. We can treat them for a beer or two then.

Absolutely the football pools I remember and also picking draws from the fixtures is my fun way of doing Acca too. DFS has the advantage of social/interactive element. Acca's are rightly popular as one can make fun bets with small stakes of 50p or £1 from the coupon or in-play online. In both punts, the fun being in making the right combination and finding value. I agree with targeted specific marketing no reason why it should not take off.

Yes, a new player signs up goes to contest lobby and the quickest & fastest shark has filled all head to head and high buy-in contests. He does the sums to says that is 3 to 4k being wagered by KanuFTW, decides to deposit and plays for a bit. Losses gets turned off and leaves the site for good. Eventually the site is left with just a few high volume players who can afford to lose 3 to 4K a week. One by one they get bored, it dries up...

How do you attract new sign-ups, new players, more liquidity, retain them and eventually bigger prize pools ? Personally do not think most DFS sites see it that way, it is all about the now. Bit of strategic planning does not go amiss.

Here is the piece with the research into the DFS economy. Excellent read and analysis.

http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/med...too_much_skill

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/J...sy-Sports.aspx

Yes, you have few players with many contests. Kanu play every contest in EPL $ or £(up to 530£). You have also player same Saramek with about 100 entries with different line-up in GPP.
I think it's a strategy. If they continue, it's because of they win a lot of contests.
Saramek is a great player, with a lot of line-up in the first page.

What other sites do you play ? Do you have other favs besides Mondo ? Just starting on Oulala, the prize pools are small for now understandably. Really do like how they offer combination of all the big European leagues. One to keep an eye on and think they deserve our support in developing a quality product.

Personally will not recommended anyone to make countless line-up's. It is a high risk strategy to cover variance inherent in this games, also a quick way to busting one's bankroll in no time. Much smarter to hedge the risk, spread bank roll playing all the different DFS sites. Time consuming but less risky way of growing one's bank roll.

On £10 game, entering 30 line up's is £300 in buy-in fees. Do that a few times with not many placings, the end result will be busto. Not fun. Is it ?

The words below should be posted when DFS products are marketed.

"ALL PLAYERS WILL BLANK A FEW TIMES DURING THE SEASON. WHEN ALMOST ALL DO IT IN THE SAME GAMEWEEK, IT IS TOUGH TO TAKE, BUT THAT'S JUST THE DARK SIDE OF PROBABILITY.”

Damn that is unlucky, saw your score and was impressed!!!
I like mondo but wish they limited entrants or found some way to make it easier for first depositers to not have to play the pros like KANU!
I dont think a cross country fantasy thing will work too well though as many recrational people who DFS I think is aimed at - like people in pub watching saturday 3pms with accas only know about EPL not Serie A etc.

Yes, start of 2014/2015 season was where new signings had impact. Had a nice ride on Tadic, Pelle and Mane on Playon before people clued up.

This season is different and can not think of many big summer signing making immediate impact so far in one team.

Martial & Wijndalum & Ayew have shown flashes, Payet has impressed. Mitrovic, Son have potential to improve given playing time. Overall new signings tend to make a bigger impression in their second season. Who will be the second part of the season's version of Mahrez & Vardy ?

I will not mind playing the pros like Kanu when features like late swap are available. For now way too risky to play head to head with his fatty bankroll that can afford to take big hits.

Agreed that most people are interested in their teams and particular league only. Hence why the Global games with fixtures across leagues tend to be softer games to win.

As you may have seen earlier, I'm obviously developing a game. My goals are always: keep it simple so the masses can easily understand *but* also make it competitive and fun.

This is clearly a huge challenge. After doing a few weeks of research on fantasy-soccer, I'll be honest, feels like 1995 and Fantasy Football, very exciting, very early, nothing but up from here.

So here is what I have for now:

What if the game were pure, no forced roster positions (all "utility"), no salaries. Basically try to break away from the current salary model that forces you to pick positions.

Forwards & Midfielders:

• Goal 5
• Assist 3
• SOT 2
• Shots 1
• Own goal -2
• Yellow card -1
• Red card -3

Goalies

• Save 1
• Save PK 7
• Goal against -2
• Clean sheet 6

Thoughts?

Thanks everyone.

In the near future I might be looking for some help if you are interested working in DFS, and qualify, send me a PM.

Hope you had a good holiday season Joe. Salary free sounds good to me, you can limit three to four players from one team or allow people to pick freely from one team. Personally, capping it at three or four players from one team is best. Otherwise everyone will pick all players from one team who have plum fixtures and negate the skill element.

Currently in the UK soccer DFS only bet4best have salary free with restriction to three selection from one team. Salary pricing is old hat, you have ridiculous pricing in DFS platform like Fan Team. It is sport, not the stock exchange.

Also in UK soccer DFS PlayOn has salary pricing but allows unlimited picks from one team. Most tend to restrict to two, three or four players from one team.

On the scoring side. What you have listed looks good to me. I will make - 2 for own goal for all players. I will not reward points for any shots, except shots on target at + 2 is good. Penalty kick saved should get + 4 points.

No forced rooster position is novel concept, one that has not been tried here at all. I am positive to the concept.

Are you looking for people to help that are based in the US only ? Or are you flexible with people based in other countries - UK, Europe etc... ?

All the best in your endeavour.

Agree with you. The "train" strategy is an error of bankroll strategy for players & bored new players for the provider.
One time, I finished 21th with the 3rd high score in Champion's league behind 2 big "trains".
Same you, I started on Oulala.
But my prefer is MG for choice of all leagues. I play in every league same as La Liga, Serie A, Championship, Ligue 1, MLS, European or global contests (sorry, i stopped Brazil Serie A) and never take care Mexican liga.
EPL is just about 20% of my contests. I'm not a big fan of english football.
But the pb with MG is since August, they have (in my opinion) a pb of developper. I didnt see last season so many bugs than the start of new season 2015/2016.
This is disappointig. No evolution, no change, We ask them many little and easy improvement, but nothing. Result : they lose many new players because of ...

Interesting in no forced positions. This would appeal to people that like to basically bet on players 'to score' every week in accas etc and make it more rec friendly than spotting certain Watford or Leicster defenders make more interceptions etc that they don't spot.

I'd suggest also adding in something like 'chance created', so the last person to pass to someone before a shot gets 0.5 points or something? Make the likes of Silva/Ozil who everyone see being good players be more justified choices.
I think you'd have to look more into the scoring model also, 3 for an assist but 2 for a shot on target probably isn't enough of a difference - it would make players that shoot on sight, like Coutinho who has an absurd amount of long range, low EV shots almost must plays, whilst again players that guarantee goals for their team - see Costa's assist yesterday to Oscar is worth only 50% more than a popshot from 30yards that has like a 0.02 expected goal per shot.

The disadvantage of this system is that obviously there are fewest strikers around, I'd say no more than 35 get regular minutes in the PL, probably les with most teams now going with 1 striker instead of 2. On the other hand there are going to be 80+ regular defenders that are almost guaranteed no plays with only attacking plays being rewarded, so your overall player base is going to be something like 135 players - 80 mids, 35 strikers, 20 keepers, which limits the options. Would be interested to see if you intended it to be select 5,7,9 or even 11 players out of the 135, to see the combinations available - as no one likes chopping prizes!

Also interested about potential jobs, UK based.

Assist 4 pts.
If SOT 2 pts, Woodwork 3pts (and not 0 same every site)

PK save +7 is silly. Imo it should be +2 at most - yes it's extremely valuable to the team but it's also just down to luck rather than GK skill the vast majority of the time.

Also in that format there will really be only a handful of players that are viable to pick each week. Basically everyone will just load up on the same strikers/attacking mids from the teams with favourable fixtures.