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04-15-2011 , 11:15 PM

#376

walkmyline

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,340

Quote:

Originally Posted by bambam16

Just got this pop up from Stars when logging in to cash out:

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thats good, funds are safe. by services do they mean cashouts? cause it says those services are still able to be used

04-15-2011 , 11:15 PM

#377

niss

Wood

Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17,048

Quote:

Originally Posted by chauncy

i don't think anyone from the USA is going to disagree with you on this.

so what is our next move? how do we begin to organize?

I would leave the decisions about the legal battle to those in the best position to make them. I remain willing to get behind the PPA in this regard. If the PPA was to let its membership know that it's going to take this fight to the DOJ now, I think the poker playing community would do best by reaching into our wallets and making sure that the funding for this fight is never an issue.

04-15-2011 , 11:15 PM

#378

hem

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 21

gutted on your behalf's........

04-15-2011 , 11:16 PM

#379

TorChi9857

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 142

It's nice of them to say that our money is safe but I would rather the DOJ say something official and say if we can withdraw, etc.

04-15-2011 , 11:16 PM

#380

crusevegas

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

Most likely they are going to legalize online gambling, and someone who is friends with a Senator or two is ready to setup shop and just got rid of their competition.

The Full Tilt group had their nose up Sen. Reids re-election campaign.

Freedom,,,, do we have more or fewer things that we have the freedom to chose as we did 30 years ago? 20 years ago? 10 years ago?

Sharon Angle may have been more right than anyone thought.

04-15-2011 , 11:17 PM

#381

niss

Wood

Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17,048

Quote:

Originally Posted by latefordinner

The second part, I think is a best case scenario. Honestly, right now I'm more worried about immediate loss of bankroll than loss of future profits even though future profits are obviously much higher. In fact I'm a bit ill over it. But, I think in a best case scenario this drags online poker (without FT/PS) back above board with an explicit ruling of legality and none of the shadiness of loading up fake phone cards or selling fake products.

Worst case scenario of course is that everyone loses their funds and online poker in the US is driven to even shadier and smaller sites.

In the case of Neteller, money eventually made its way to players. I don't believe that the government ultimately will take money that belongs to players here. Money may be tied up for a while, but my guess is that everyone eventually gets what is theirs.

04-15-2011 , 11:19 PM

#382

rowhousepd

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 651

I wonder how/if the top US pros on PS & FT will get back the massive amounts of $ they likely have on their poker sites. I mean, are they really going to screw over 20, 30, 40 (who knows how many) poker celebs who could probably take their name elsewhere? I'm guessing no ... but we, on the other hand, are probably not a huge priority.

04-15-2011 , 11:19 PM

#383

DavidNB

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,339

I just got a pop up message while playing on Pokerstars. Among other things, they said their web site was moved to the Europe and its now listed as pokerstars.eu

They stated all the money was safe and recent annoucements in the US do not affect non US players.

04-15-2011 , 11:19 PM

#384

Rich Muny

Former PPA VP

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 28,236

Quote:

Originally Posted by niss

Well, it would have been better over the last few years, but we really need to keep speaking up. After all, we have legislation in Congress and a lot of people who wish to play

Quote:

The DOJ has done us a favor. It is giving us the chance to tee up the argument that online poker is not illegal under present American law.

I don't know about that. The indictment is based on UIGEA violations in WA state (which should help LG with his questioning of why sites pulled out when the WA case was lost). I don't know that fighting that is a favor to us. The other charge is money laundering. Unfortunately, the Wire Act is not being used here.

04-15-2011 , 11:19 PM

#385

slcseas

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 604

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkmyline

I live on the East Coast USA. It is 11pm eastern time. My FTP is working the same as it always has. Is this the same for anyone? My login is normal, I CAN SIT AND PLAY at real cash tables. All of my withdrawal options are available except premium bank wires. No messages come up saying anything about indictment or not being able to play as a us citizen.

some people on here are saying they cant get on ftp, cant play. etc Why is mine normal?

Try clicking one of your withdrawal options... SPOILER: It's not going to end well.

04-15-2011 , 11:19 PM

#386

valuetown1

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 19

I get the same message here in Texas. This SUCKS! I was driving home today from school and was so excited to play

04-15-2011 , 11:20 PM

#387

TiltTheTilt

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,920

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkmyline

I'm still able to play as well on FT!

04-15-2011 , 11:21 PM

#388

DrewOnTilt

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,748

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheEngineer

So, are we all going to fight back now? Will we flood message boards with our opinions, flood Congressional offices with letters and phone calls, and flood our friends' and families' inboxes with emails telling them to do the same?

I'm all-in. Who's with me????

Quote:

Originally Posted by niss

Maybe I speak from a position of ignorance, but I don't see how such an effort is all that worthwhile at this point. Do you really think Congress is going to run to address online poker after what happened? I sure don't. And even if you could get someone's attention, his/her hands will be tied by the bureaucracy needed to effect change. And then even if that person could move to effect change, his/her hands will be tied by the fact that the majority of Congress is either opposed to what they perceive to be an expansion of gambling or they just don't care.

The DOJ has done us a favor. It is giving us the chance to tee up the argument that online poker is not illegal under present American law. The resources of the PPA and its members are better spent, IMO, in raising money to help support those who have been charged in contesting, specifically, the charge that poker is illegal, and if those accused don't want to play ball with us or fight that charge, then that money should be used to fund our own litigation for a declaration that poker is legal. Given the events of today, there probably won't be a more appropriate time to bring such a claim than now. Hell, if the PPA came to me and said that they are raising money specifically to fund litigation, I go from contributing $100 to contributing $1000.

niss, I have a sinking suspicion that TE is being a bit sarcastic, and he has every right to be. The vast majority of poker players flat out couldn't be bothered to lift a finger to help any effort at promoting industry regulation. TE has worked hard for years only to see players come out of the woodwork when crap like this happens, only to later grudgingly accept whatever new "status quo" comes to pass.

04-15-2011 , 11:22 PM

#389

dmwGun

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 149

Should I withdraw through BankTransfer or through a check?

04-15-2011 , 11:22 PM

#390

Nookx

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 359

This is good news.

04-15-2011 , 11:22 PM

#391

walkmyline

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,340

Quote:

Originally Posted by slcseas

Try clicking one of your withdrawal options... SPOILER: It's not going to end well.

ahhhhh there it is LOL. But I can still play at cash tables. But cant withdraw?

Also I did a withdrawal which was approved, a bank wire, the last night, before all this. Which was debited from my account. Odds on that showing up in bank or heading back into ftp account?

04-15-2011 , 11:22 PM

#392

novahunterpa

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,244

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorChi9857

It's nice of them to say that our money is safe but I would rather the DOJ say something official and say if we can withdraw, etc.

+1

I hope what PS is saying turns out to be correct but who knows. I'm mean what else do you expect them to say, maybe they're being overly optimistic,IDK. Without too many details out yet we don't know how much the DOJ actions will affect PS ability to offer play in the US and around the world, we don't even know if these will last yet or not. Over the next several weeks we'll have a better idea but as of now I doubt anyone (even the sites) can say for sure.

04-15-2011 , 11:22 PM

#393

Doug_Funnie

banned

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 384

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmwGun

Should I withdraw through BankTransfer or through a check?

04-15-2011 , 11:23 PM

#394

derada4

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,544

For all the people in the US who don't understand why they can still play: read the first couple of posts in the massive thread in the NVG forum. It has to do with DNS servers and IP's and the way the internet is structured (something I personally don't really understand all that well), but basically areas are going down one by one and within 24-48 hours max, no one in the US will be able to play.

04-15-2011 , 11:24 PM

#395

DavidNB

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,339

04-15-2011 , 11:25 PM

#396

Minka Kelly

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 18

What is the best course of action now for people who still have access to cashier and can withdraw? Any legal reasons for not withdrawing? Safer to just keep money online or if it is still possible should we try and withdraw immediately.

FTP still works for me, in Cali, and Cashier options all still work as well (who knows for how much longer). Also, the question does apply to non-US players as well. Withdraw roll via bank transfer or leave it on FTP (or stars if that applies to you)?