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04-15-2011 , 04:20 PM

#126

kikadell

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,046

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33 Big Blinds

I will luckily be heading out of the country in the next couple months. What is the chance I can withdraw my money as an international player?

ive seen a handful of americans currently abroad confirm they can't play on real money tables

it seems the blocking is based on your nationality rather than location

04-15-2011 , 04:22 PM

#127

Krax

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,918

holy **** it happened

the end is near

04-15-2011 , 04:22 PM

#128

AllenZ

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 204

I can't figure out why PS is stopping us from playing now. Do they really think that is going to appease the Feds after letting us play all this time? Hell, I had just decided to get serious again. Time to look for another adjunct professor job, but playing poker is a lot more convenient.

04-15-2011 , 04:25 PM

#129

runfromrvr

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 195

anyone got an email about making a withdrawl? Very curious this could be very very bad if we can't get our monies

04-15-2011 , 04:26 PM

#130

ACEvivKING

banned

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,922

Do you think I will get my paper check cashout from stars? I just did it.

04-15-2011 , 04:27 PM

#131

ljfe

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 167

mass suicide?

04-15-2011 , 04:28 PM

#132

Jonaspublius

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,182

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Fish

I'm worried about the roughly $3k worth in Ftps and iron man medals I have.

Should I convert immediately to bonus or will it not matter? Best to leave then as be and see what happens?

I just cashed in 3 stellars that were my tilt/broke fund, and bought a low value fpp pack if youre worried about stars loyalty.

04-15-2011 , 04:29 PM

#133

ChrisMystery

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 198

Quote:

Originally Posted by davmcg

Also (although it is prob none of my business) I really think that poker players in the US should make it utterly clear to any elected official supporting this heavy handed action that they will do everything they can to have them removed from office at the earliest opportunity.

Absolutely, it needs to be an instant rejection by the large amount of players that this efftects.

04-15-2011 , 04:29 PM

#134

flip2win

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,944

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdude

1. The status quo cannot hold. I've said it a million times, and well, here it is.

2. The US government has a lot of power that it hasn't yet used. Blocking transactions in the financial system is one example which I have given many times. Well, here's another example-- seizing web domains. And another-- money laundering charges.

3. I continue to agree with Skalla and all the other PPA people that we have a good chance of winning a court fight on the issue of the legality of online poker. Not 100 percent though-- this will be a big gamble and it would be disastrous to lose it. The DOJ has now forced this issue, and if there is one slightly good thing that will come out of this, it is this.

4. One other slightly good thing that might come out of this is that it makes a poker bill more likely to move forward and maybe pass.

5. In counterpoint to (3), I think one thing a lot of people on this board (including, specifically, some of the more libertarian-leaning posters) don't realize is that the US government has very serious reasons, NOT related to mere moral condemnation of gambling, why it will not tolerate offshore, unregulated gaming being offered to US residents over the long term. The fact is that gaming has ALWAYS, historically, been carefully regulated by state governments (with a backdrop of federal regulation) because of connections to organized crime, cheating, underage play, and fraud, as well as moral objections (i.e., preserving the right of states and localities to opt out).

It may seem natural to many that the Internet would create the opportunity for people all around the world to play poker against each other, but there's no way, long-term, that this will not be regulated and taxed. Too much fraud, too much potential for cheating, too many jurisdictional problems, too much potential for money laundering, too much potential for tax evasion, too much underage play-- PLUS the problem of circumventing the prohibitions of states and localities with gaming bans.

This-- or something like it-- was inevitable. It is very bad, but hopefully it will get the poker community to get off of its butt and wake up and support a poker bill, even if it means that people will have to pay taxes and won't get to play in quite as large a player pool as they would like.

Good Post. Amidst this craziness, can the PPA, Kevmath, TE, or Skalla comment on any of this?

04-15-2011 , 04:51 PM

#135

:::grimReaper:::

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,113

edit: Wasn't able to withdraw on my (public) university's internet. But I was able to withdraw using a private internet connection.

Or it could be that all US players are withdrawing today so the connection was temporarily bad. Try again?

Last edited by :::grimReaper:::; 04-15-2011 at 05:02 PM.

04-15-2011 , 04:52 PM

#136

CCuster_911

You Only Live Once

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 24,435

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

04-15-2011 , 04:56 PM

#137

kwansolo

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,991

ppa released a statement that said they were outraged but will comment later. thanks!

04-15-2011 , 04:57 PM

#138

Jonaspublius

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,182

Anyone else having problems getting 2p2 itself to load?

04-15-2011 , 05:00 PM

#139

Jonaspublius

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,182

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisMystery

Absolutely, it needs to be an instant rejection by the large amount of players that this efftects.

That means hundreds of us have to be prepared to act and organize/instigate the actions of others. Everything from your Im buddy lists, family, and friends to trolling the play money tables/freerolls to inform people about a mass coordinated effort to burn some ears in DC. Also, Im thinking we should cuss out/shutdown the SDNY USDA office.

04-15-2011 , 05:01 PM

#140

poorolrich

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,382

I sure would'nt count on getting your wihdrawal now that charges have been filed against some poker sites and etc etc.

04-15-2011 , 05:02 PM

#141

Halstad

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,565

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonaspublius

Anyone else having problems getting 2p2 itself to load?

Yes. My guess there are a million people on here today trying to get information.

04-15-2011 , 05:04 PM

#142

kikadell

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,046

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonaspublius

Anyone else having problems getting 2p2 itself to load?

i get cut off for 20 minutes at a time

today has broken the record for most users online at the one time, this should explain it

04-15-2011 , 05:04 PM

#143

novahunterpa

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,244

Sad day for sure but I guess we kinda had to expect something like this was bound to happen sooner or later.......looks like this could be the end of UB,FTP and PS. How much money has/is the DOJ going to be able to seize from all these accounts in the US and abroad and could it be a large enough seizure that forces the sites to fold...I think maybe

04-15-2011 , 05:04 PM

#144

MrAce777

adept

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 833

DAMN! Made me spill my drink on my keyboard with this news. I'm a bit shocked but not surprised at this move. It has been said over and over that the status quo wouldn't hold for too long and it was a matter of time. FTP, UB, and Stars may be still avaliable to some but I think as far as tonight (EST) and tomorrow the sites will be permanently blocked by this on going indictment. Any monies on the sites you probably won't be able to deposit or withdraw. If that's the case then either FTP, Stars, and UB will have to send us players an e-mail to let us know about this and our funds.

04-15-2011 , 05:05 PM

#145

DrawMeOut

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,088

This is isane!!! For the record i can still play real money at least rush

04-15-2011 , 05:05 PM

#146

poorolrich

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,382

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenZ

It's not so much to appease the Feds as to appease the rest of the World showing that they do operate legally etc etc. They are a publicly traded company so they have a lot of stockholders to protect.

04-15-2011 , 05:07 PM

#147

Phatty

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,914

I don't think Stars or Full Tilt are publicly traded companies. Party Poker is the only iPoker site I know of that is publicly traded.

04-15-2011 , 05:08 PM

#148

The Commuter

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 103

WHo cares they are all a bunch of crooks who have been getting away with this stuff probably since the beginnings.

Wait is this the same "CLEAN" full tilt that banned and closed so many accounts last year and kept those peoples money for using illegal software because they were such a legit site. Please they are all double talking crooks

04-15-2011 , 05:10 PM

#149

1meandog4u

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,286

Quote:

Originally Posted by runfromrvr

anyone got an email about making a withdrawl? Very curious this could be very very bad if we can't get our monies

I tried to make a withdrawal from Stars and in a nutshell it said, "Check back in 48 hrs"

04-15-2011 , 05:12 PM

#150

Jonaspublius

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,182

Quote:

Originally Posted by novahunterpa

Who knows, this may motivate the sites and the PPA to come to players and finally ask in a serious, FUNDED, and organized way to fight this. If people would spend as much time as they have coming here today to fight this, they would back down or do something. I'm sure a few phone calls are going on to decide what to do, and not one player representative involved. The affiliates and the sites wanted to control things with quiet low-level lobbying, but the day for that is now officially done. Either its war or go fill out applications or retire.

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