"human guinea pigs" actually help those suffering from cancer and other illnesses
by helping doctors see what medicines works and what doesnt.

I dont think doing a clinical trial means you have no self respect.

http://216.22.10.76/wiki/The_Fundame...ribution_Error

if only I also had a article about being a tool, oh well

I met up with NWB the other week, and was somewhat surprised; here I was thinking he'd be somewhat crazy, have perhaps a "on the edge" persona but it was the exact opposite; he's actually one of the most chilled, coolest people I've met, go figure.

Being a poker enthusiast, the conservation naturally drifted to poker. Immediately as it did, his posture and vocals changed; he went from chilling back in his chair and being calm, to sitting upright, a little too far out of his chair, as if he was ready to jump up and take on the world, and his tone was a little more serious, in a business like manner. When the conservation drifted from poker, his manner drifted back to his previous state.

He, alike many poker players, have at one point thought of the poker dream, being one's boss making tons of money from a if wanted to be mobile source whilst doing something they love. The problem though, is that many people have such ambitions, and with the state of today's games, it's just not that practical. People today have a deep understanding of the math/Psychology of the game and have very deep thought processes, heck look at the level of discussion that goes on in a micro forum http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/...akes-Online-NL.

Now not to bash on you here NWB, but the thought process you gave on the hand you played at the casino was advanced as a thinking fish, which tbh, I think it's where you're at. 8 years ago sure you would have done well, but with today's games... (the hand to everyone else was basically he saw a free pot with Ax, flop came monotone I believe, think it was 4 handed, one guy bets another who had been making spewy plays and NWB had good reason to think he was on strong tilt atm, he raised to a size that gave him no fold equity if he got it in, NWB decided to stack of with his nut flush draw/30bb because "he had some gamble in him") A advanced player in this situation would have been in a meditative state(so he's calm/rational/optimizing energy/most importantly pick up on all the small things) and very good with body language, particularly micro expressions, that'd he'd pick up to narrow his range, he'd than be very good at doing odds quickly to work out if he had the odds or not, heck a beginner player would have at least did basic pot odds to see if he's ever good enough. Reality is, to make it in today's games, one has to be so incredibly skilled. When you've gotten to the point you're incredibly skilled, check out the bs variance you'll have to go through: http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tool...nce_simulator/ crushing the games is considered 6bb/100, and remember in PLO, the game where people are getting stacks in on 60/40, the variance is so much higher. In regards to the casino, take into consideration these win-rates are typically at <5%, whereas the casino is 15%. People were talking about how 10% is barely not beatable.... The reason why there's no good players their is because the good players understand the game, they understand that it's barely beatable, and for the few dollars an hour it might be, it's not worth the ridiculous downswings due to the pace of the game

Hope I'm not being jerk, just giving you my honest assessment. I'm not gonna tell you what to do, only you truly know what's best, gl

fair

Day 24 of 34

The unit has been swarming with people for days in preparation for the anticipated influx of new participants. This morning the first group arrived. The hallways are filled with their luggage as they go through the check in procedure, and I can tell most are first-timers. They shoot a quick glance at me as I walk back from the shower, but they say nothing. They will keep to themselves for the first day or two but will soon begin to mingle as the more confident of their party ventures out from the room assigned them and interacts with the other groups.

One interesting aspect of this study is that it is a mixed gender group (our group is not, but the others are). This brings the social experiment to a whole new level. We were all called in to the main rec room yesterday morning and given a talking to by the big boss lady. Apparantly six individuals have been found to be engaging in innapropriate conduct, the details of which were not mentioned, but the rumour going around is that the misconduct is sexual in nature. Having been guilty of this crime in the past, I thought it was funny that the accused were not more careful, considering that they may have wanted it to be a regular occurence. It's easy to get away with if you're smart, not so if you go around bragging about it.... Now they're screwed, they're being watched 24/7. In any case, we have all lost visiting hours priveleges as a consequence.

My self exclusion from Pokerstars is still in effect (ldo), and I have not signed up or logged on at any other sites. I'd be lying if I said I never thought about it, but so far it has been fine. Turns out that this place in itself is actually a gold mine, albeit a small one. A friend and I started off playing dollar heads up games against each other, and gradually people starting showing interest and wanted to join in. We upped it to two dollars, then five, then one of the night nurses (male) wanted to play, and I could tell from the first glance that we had found our poor mans version of Guy Laliberte, and before I knew it I was staying up all night to play him. He was happy though, he simply enjoyed to play. Every time an Ace hit the flop he would get very excited and exclaim loudly, regardless of whether he was in the hand or not, and it was fun playing with him. Unfortunately he got in trouble from the head nurse as he was such a degen that he stayed at the table when he was scheduled to perform his duties, and I don't think he will be playing while on duty again I came here with a dollar and am now up fifty bucks and one carton of beer (my friends will be very happy).

The arrival of this new group sadly marks the departure of another one, which means that I will lose three of my friends tomorrow, one new and two from the outside; one of which is Bed 3 from the first trial (I'm not the only re-offender). Having them here has been great and it will be sad to see them go, but that's life. I'll be stuck in here for another ten days. Fingers crossed that there's some cool people in the new groups. And some fresh punters.


Thanks man, appreciate the support.

Sure thing, so long as it's not gonna cost me like $120/hr :P

Thanks a lot that's sick that you read the whole thing! Yeah it's interesting, this place lets you meet people that you normally wouldn't, and it's surprising how poker is a common interest among many of them. I can imagine what kind of image it could summon for you... guys sitting in their beds playing on their laptops funding the poker economy and advancing medical science at the same time haha. Why not, there are worse things to do.

Hypnosis is def something I'd like to do. Thanks again.

This post actually made me laugh. Best of luck, hope you find something fulfilling.

You know a little something about these things huh? Please share with us your valuable insight, we're all on the edge of our seats.

If someone close to you ever suffers from a serious illness and they depend on science and the findings of medical research for better quality of life, perhaps then you can look at correcting your current misconceptions regarding what I and many others are a part of.

Gold sick article btw.

It was good to meet with you, and I'm glad that I wasn't the maniac you might have envisioned haha.

What you said about my demeanour changing when the conversation turned to poker really opened my eyes. I, like you, have a strong interest in human behaviour. Basically your observation reaffirms what gorvnice wrote earlier about poker triggering certain things in me that it doesn't in everyone. Like you said, a "normal" person takes a calm, rational, calculating approach to each situation. While I certainly do this, I also definately get a "high" from it too. I'm unsure how common this is among other players, but surely it's not that uncommon when participating in something you find stimulating and that you enjoy?

Great post. I think anyone would be a fool to think that it's easy to beat today's games. Poker is gradually receding into the background of my life instead of taking the spotlight, and that's pretty much how I want it at this time.

Don't be afraid, they can't hurt you

I'm also broke, but not willing to sell my body to an evaaal drug co. I am going job hunting tomorrow like a normal person.

Normal people def do not take a calm, rational approach to it. Normal people approach it just like you do. However, to have a edge in poker one must go against normal, one must adopt a mentality that's very unnatural. This is the professional poker mind set, one that all truly successful players need to win.

People def do get a high from it, a adrenaline rush, but it typically dies to with experience. It's basically impossible to think 100% clear when in this mind set. Some are more receptive to it than others. One reason why bank roll management has somewhat high requirements is so that this effect is diminished, playing with a large proportion of one's roll is guaranteed to make them edgy in some way. It's interesting that you can't play for small stakes; perhaps your not addicted to the whole game itself, but rather risk/gamble nature of it. I suppose somewhat obvious, but it sheds a little bit of light in why you can't play small stakes, you don't get no high from it, there's no risk, no gamble

Probably not gonna do it, but the idea of getting paid whilst I grind is appealing. What are the details for me getting singed up to these medical tests?

Getting poked and prodded bro, will PM you after

Why was my (slightly) racist joke removed?? are you guys that uptight?

I got a job delivering pizza today spur of the moment. Looking to crawl out from the hole Im in as well.

Might look into this lab rat thing too on the side.

great read, best of luck to you.

you signed up for another spin! Dude what post does the second installment start at?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1633

EDIT: Just re-read that post and lol'd at the part where I said we all get on fine. It's funny how fast carefully constructed facades erode and true personalities emerge when trapped in close proximity with one another. Gone are the innocent stages of introduction and pseudo-bonding, now we all just wanna ****in kill each other

I thought you couldn't do this test again? so your there now?

That was a different study that concluded months ago

Glad you're keeping us posted NWB. It seems you're doing pretty well mentally. You sound more balanced in general, and I think as long as you truly keep in mind that poker will never be anything more than fun or recreation--you may eventually be able to play without any real risk to your financial or mental health.

However, I would still caution that because poker affects your mind and triggers a high--engaging in it at the wrong time/place could trigger you to lose control in many different ways. You just need to stay smart and remember how hard you've worked to get sane again. Don't piss it all away for an hour or two of fun online or at the casino.

Glad to see you on the right track.

So wheres the cliffs i skipped a few pages to find the juicy stuff

Did you get your 8k? I wanna do this test where in the Gold Coast can i do it lol

I have participated in a few studies myself, but never longer than ten days. 34 days is a long, long time... It's easy money though. Do you also have to stay off the coffee, tea, chocolate and cola?

Oh, and did you actually take pictures of the nurses?

Getting paid for testing medical products and research was my gameplan, I was ready to make thousands of dollars and crush online and live poker. Then I took an arrow in the knee.

moar pics imo.

Like a arrow from a bow? How does that stop you from sitting on your ass clicking buttons?

Arrow in my knee brah disrupting my thought process it sucks

ys of course a bow

lol lamest meme ever.

I feel I've found my equal

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