I almost replied to Truckin, then decided not to bother.

These kids attempted to STEAL. They admitted to it, and there should be a public record of it.

+1

I thought Gary and Roseeker had to be the dumbest people on the net. I stand corrected.

Edit: just cause that bitchibee avatar is so dope.

No joke, he already admitted this. He didn't want his family to find out he played poker.

What? Where did I say they never deserved to be forgiven? As long as the only thing posted is the truth and what they did how can that be bad for future employers to know? Just post from start to finish "this is what they did" and let future employers decide for themselves whether or not they deserve to be forgiven or trusted again. Like I'm still unsure because of what I posted above about removing deterrents and the possibility of them getting harassed over it but as for employers knowing basically you're advocating that employers look at these guys without knowledge of bad stuff they've done because "all people make mistakes"? Show of hands, how many here have attempted to steal over 10k from anyone?

Garys name is Bjorn Li for those who have not got it yet

This site states it:

http://www.pokerpages.com/player-profile/bjorn-li.htm



and when you search up his full tilt username "iamalagtard", Gary_Neville posting a hand history shows up here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...queens-393487/

I have been hustled for $8k before and these hustlers posting is this thread are some lying bastards, they are only **** sorry they got caught, so i'll be logging off now and have a beer

lol pretty bad way to enter this thread, since it's obvious that you either lied to everyone while knowing RoSeeker was using your account to chip dump, or believed an elaborate lie from RoSeeker to you that he used your account for something unrelated, was accused of chip dumping, and needed to cover up the fact that you were inherently allowing someone to multi-account. i suppose you should address that...

Good point by Borewine right there.

sigh...i shouldn't have ever come back

lol breezehx, when you lie think it through

ok I'm only 1600 posts into this thread right now and I don't want the ending spoilt but I'm posting this now so i don't forget....

Is Kaedin Gary?

ok..up to 1800 now and another question. Have all the (mainly low post counters) in support of Gary been investigated?...not as part of the scam but as 2p2 multi-accounters?

It just seems ridiculous that they keep on posting these random posts supporting Gary like 'evidence is inconclusive, pay the man now' etc and the replies are always something like 'well how do you account for the fact that 2 random micro-stake players who are mates of a mate of OP play NL200 on THAT day...etc etc...etc etc.

How come nobody ever just assumes they are all friends or aliases of the cheaters like I always do?.

Apologies if this is covered later but just reading this in real time and posting as I go.

Sounds like a hell of a plan

How about we start with this truckin ass wipe?

Amen!

I bet he has about 5 active accounts in this thread alone.

A little disclaimer: I didn't put much thought into my post and it isn't all encompassing. Basically when Roseeker came to me I completely believed him. This was AFTER the bet and the cheating. I had no prior knowledge to the bet at all. I only started playing poker again about a month ago.

During the thread and through deducing what Roseeker was saying to me, I eventually figured out he was cheating. I helped him before because although some of the things were a bit shady, I wanted to believe him and be on his side, since he's a good guy.

Anyway, we all know where it ended up. I was pretty much an observer of this thread like everyone else, except for the unfortunate part of MY account being used.

Let me just openly say I didn't even know about the prop bet until after the money had already been given to Gary. Hope that clears a bit of things up. Other than that, YES, I DID lie for Roseeker - at the very start it was because he convinced me too - nearing the end when I consciously believed in their guilt I also lied to protect them long enough for them to get their **** together. I believed I owed this to Roseeker for years of help.

Either way, i'm going to have a really hard time convincing everyone I am a victim here. Basically, I got completely ****ed over by Roseeker. My account is now frozen and my reputation is ruined because some guy I know tried to scam some people over the message boards.

**** you, I have nothing to lie about and i'll be as clear as possible. Why the **** would I even lie anymore, you ****ing *******.

How come you like the idea of moving funds via HU chipdumping?

So A. You Lied for roseeker to cover a story about their chip dumping and you thought they didn't do anything wrong?
B. Then... you finally realize they are guilty you continued lying to cover for them because Roseeker had been so good to you
C. And now you're pissed because he forced you to lie? lol?

I'm sure theres more holes in your story, but how can you both observe the thread, and then lie because Roseeker somehow convinced you of his innocence? That must be some great story he spun.

Obviously you are trying to spin yourself as some victim, the if you had just come out and just admitted guilt you would've been forgiven as your actions are understandable if scummy

breeezzz, it would help if you started by telling the whole story. When and how did you notice something was going on, what exactly did RoSeeker tell you when you questioned him, how did you feel about reading the thread, etc.

Obviously.

Believed him about what exactly...? Can you be more specific?

And yes we realize this was after the cheating.

Same question. Are you saying he told you he was not involved in chip dumping to Gary?

And except for the part with you PMing the judge that it was you who played the hand and the part where you kept silent knowing they were guilty. I'm not saying I can't understanding wanting to be loyal to your friend, but I don't understand how you're claiming that you were tricked into it. You made your own decision and only now that the gig is up and your account is locked are you getting upset.

Again, we're aware of that..

So why did you state earlier that he convinced you to "unknowingly" lie to people. It wasn't unknowingly. Take responsibility for your own actions, man.

Yep and you're going to have a much harder time with an attitude like that, taking zero responsibility and claiming to be a victim. You got ****ed over by yourself.

Please be more clear then, because some statements in your last post were just obviously false. And this one doesn't make much sense either.

lol wait so you thought he was 100% innocent so you lied saying that it was you playing when you knew it was him playing? Why would he want you to lie about something like that if he was innocent?

This is seriously like Larry, Curly and Moe decided to try to run a scam. These guys deserve each other no doubt.

So on the off chance that someone might beat them up for cheating, you wouldn't even name and show them as a warning to the poker community?

The fact they lost the bet is not nearly punishment enough when you consider that someone honestly going about this prop bet and falling short would be similarly "punished." These cheaters deserve something worse to happen to them than if they had simply failed the honest way.

This line of reasoning really irks me because it's the same mindset that thinks nobody should have guns, which ends up leaving guns only in the hands of the criminals--on the offchance someone who has no criminal history would suddenly use their gun to begin a homicidal rampage.

We, the poker community, have NOT demonstrated a propensity for breaking the rules, let alone violence. The only ones who have demonstrated this propensity are the cheaters. Name/picture/hometown them. If my parking and speeding tickets are public information that are web searchable, then the attempted theft of thousands of dollars deserves at least that much.

obviously this troll is from Britain or some other country that gives sentences of 10% to 20% the length of American sentencing for prison terms for identical crimes...you have to understand their mindset is very criminal coddling outside the United States.

Well done and well played sir. You outed him within the rules of the site independent of a determination of outing for cause. I like your style. No one can have a problem with this, not even the criminal coddlers. LOL