Ok seriously, this thread is so epic long and I think it's time for some cliff notes, or at LEAST a reference to the page where cliff notes are. Thanks in advance.

Well I'm not gonna feel bad when your account is locked. If that's what you're after.

Your problems are giving your account info to another player.
Im still not sure why this was done.

Roseeker was already on my radar as shady when I got into a argument with him over
shortstacking.From this alone I could tell he was a little morally misguided to say the least.So you being best friends with him leaves you in a bad spot.

You either made a lot of dumb decisions or birds of a feather flock together.

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Prosecutors don't show lenience to a criminal just because said criminal got cut out of the splitting of the loot. Welcome to the double-edged sword of justice! You assume the risk of having your reputation ruined (as it currently is) when you share your password with someone else (or create an insufficiently cryptic password, for that matter).

+ 174 gazillion

Umm I'm taking a stab at cliffs please correct
1.) OP is almost finished with prop bet but a few BI short
2.) He coached or has friends that coach and a few of the micro students decided to play 200NL right about the end of the prop bet
3.) They donk off a few BI's and a 2+2per spots it
4.) Then about 2000 more posts happen

Well actually here in the US we believe that the people have the right to defend themselves instead of relying on the government to do so. That's a basic right codified into our Constitution (second only to the right to speak our minds/express ourselves freely). That's the way it is here and maybe your statement is true wherever you are but here we pride ourselves on individuality and being able to take responsibility for protecting our own lives, family, property, etc. even if that includes protecting it FROM the government. It's law enforcement's job to apprehend the criminals but I also have the right to protect myself, my family, my house, etc. if someone threatens any or all of the above. We don't have the right to go apprehend people who aren't directly threatening us but if we are under a threat we do have that right. See the difference?

But seriously enough politics bull****, there's a seperate forum here for that. And Starrazz for the love of God please stop reinforcing the stereotype of how dumb Americans are and making us all look bad.

Oh and Breezz I still don't get how you found you had no money in your account and then just when roseeker told you to told judges that you were playing. Like that's just a flat out lie and you had to know that at the time. Your story makes you either seem like a huge idiot who can simultaneously believe that someone is innocent and then has to have you lie for them to judges or else makes it sound like you were an accomplice in it. Considering you were intelligent enough to sign up on 2p2 and get money online somehow I'm gonna go with your iq being above 5 and you being an accomplice. But that's just me.

Cliff notes... because people are too lazy

Cliffs are linked in the first post in the thread.

breezh or roseeker either one of you up for a prop bet?

cliffs are linked in the op you mouthbreathers

Yes, you figured it out.


my account is like 4yrs old, so its not like it was created for this thread (critical thinking there, brosef).

I felt strongly that while Gary could be guilty, the mob mentality was going about things the wrong way. I'm glad the liars and cheaters were caught and outed. I don't regret thinking things should be handled even-keeled until a determination is made.


Havent opened this thread in a while, any stars update?

When they call you dumb instead of refuting your points, you know you're on the right track. Thanks for that confirmation, but please don't imply that I am dumb in the future, thanks.

Just a piece of advice: your urge to joke at this time probably isn't helping your cause very much.

In a democracy, people are born free but delegate some of their freedom to an elected government for the greater good. Rational people don't give their governments the power to kill them or their children. So either the US government has taken the power without consent - tyranny, or Americans are irrational.

Jalex, he wasn't implying that you are dumb - he was saying that there is a stereotype of Americans which characterises them as dumb.

well I don't know you but your posts recently have been pretty dumb. Pretty sure I could refute the majority of your claims (there are a few I actually agree with) but I don't think anyone wants to turn this into a big long politics debate as the death penalty/US/European ideologies actually has very little to do with this case.

Jalex=Starazz Sick twist.......

Killing the thread,needs more witchhunt!!

this thread is filled with

Thank you for clarifying that calling people "dumb" when you don't agree with them is indeed what you meant and that these kinds of personal attacks serve as the full extent of your capabilities of reason.

To your first point, obviously tyranny is not the explanation since we have free and fair elections in this representative democracy. Our Constitution does not guarantee life, liberty, or property--it merely confirms that the government cannot take any of those away without due process of law. If someone has received due process, they can and should lose their property (fine), liberty (jail), and/or life (death penalty).

To your second point, thank you for trying to make everybody get along nicely, but some folks have only one gear: if someone says something they disagree with and their head hurts because they can't think of a rational argument against it, they just call names like they did on the school playground when they were bullies back in the day. It's a pleasure to engage with someone who is above such simplistic approaches.

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No you are!!

My head hurts.

I'm with you so far.

And you lost me. And you failed to answer the questions I asked earlier... Didn't you say you were open to questions?

Did RoSeeker tell you that they did not cheat?
He claims he told you that he chip dumped, but that Gary "made him" do it--is that accurate?
You knew that your account was used to chip-dump to Gary. You knew that Gary was involved in the prop bet. So how could you possibly have been "not sure" if they cheated??

Please explain yourself. You seem to be doing little more than repeating yourself at this point.

You needed jalex's detective work to figure out that your account was used to chip dump? Really?

I can just picture your thought process while you read the read....

"Whoa, this breez guy is a friend of RoSeeker's. Starting to look super fishy imo."

Okay then please stop repeating yourself and ignoring questions.

I'm criticizing your posts more than anything.

I wouldn't say your reputation is necessarily ruined, but you aren't helping it with the way you're posting.