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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
fair enough.
I think you misunderstood me. I listed 6 categories(ppg, rpg, apg, spg, bpg, TS%) and I said that Deng would never top 5/6 of his year 3 totals in any one year. In other words, I'm saying he won't improve. Now maybe you could argue that topping 4/6 would be an improvement, and I'd guess I'd agree there....but even still I"m not certain he'll do that. I especially don't see him touching the TS% one.
Ok but that's kinda misleading, since say if he improves the ppg one by a drastic margin (not saying he will) but every other stat stayed the same, he would have improved a lot, yet only "improved" in 1 catagory. Infact i'd take Deng scoring 35 ppg (obv will never happen, just hypothetical) with the exact same stats across the board, than him slightly improving in every catagory.
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
So why do you think that I think there are more than 3 or 4 teams better than yours? I havn't looked at the other rosters completely, so I don't know either way actually. Here I'll look now....
I think the following teams are better than you on D for sure:
Mine
Seadood
Clark
cowboy2579
sergsz
I disagree with Cowboy.
Cowboy has 3 very good/elite defenders, Payton, Rasheed, and Chandler. Then he has 3 average defenders in LJ, Nick Anderson, and Walker.
I think Rasheed/Chandler are better on defense than McHale and Perkins but it's very close and I could honestly see myself on a different day siding towards McHale/Perkins over Sheed/Chandler. I also think Payton is better than Billups. But Raja+Deng+Martin is a pretty massive edge over LJ+Nick Anderson and Walker imo.
As for sergz, I will conceed his team is better on D than mine, but it's very close. And while I think I am now in the top 5 instead of top 4, I think the gap between me and the best defensive team in this league is pretty small.
I also think you and others are drastically undervaluing wing defenders, no way the Spurs are even close to the defensive team that they have been without Bowen, no way the Bulls are even close to the defensive team they were without Jordan or Pippen, no way the Pistons are close to the defensive team they were without Prince, Rockets without Battier etc.
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Its the least important for 3 reasons:
1. Its not a post defense spot, which means its not vital for help defense against penetration(the main reason post defense is more important than perimeter defense).
2. There are more stud wing scorers that need to be guarded than stud PG scorers.
3. Good defensive wings like Bowen can switch onto star PGs like Bowen does with Nash and Paul at times. It doesn't work the other way around due to size issues.
I said it already was the least important (never said otherwise). However it is still very important, teams with very good/great PG defenders are a good sized better than if they didn't have them. Players like Payton, Kidd, Billups, Harris etc. improve their teams defense by a very good amount when they are in the game. There are even more elite PG's in this league than in the real NBA, so PG defense is even more important.
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
They are important for sure, but they aren't nearly as important imo. I think post defense(both one-on-one and helpside) is the single most important aspect of winning basketball in fact.
I don't think nearly as important, but if I was rating post/help defense (you also forgot pick and roll D for a bigman which is just as important as the 2 you listed above, heck in the real NBA it might be the MOST important out of those 3 since most teams run the pick and roll as their main play) i'd rate bigman D a 10, Wing D an 8, and PG D a 6.5 for the NBA, however for this league i'd rank it bigman D 10, Wing D 8.5, and PG D 7.5 due to there being so many more elite Wing/PG players than in the NBA.
Last edited by EPiPeN11; 06-24-2008 at 12:00 PM.