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Old 06-23-2008, 10:06 PM   #13776
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Hold on...everyone read my post after that. Is there anyone who would've taken Tarpley if he was available?
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:09 PM   #13777
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Fine with me to give them two picks.

I'm already LOL'ing at the reaction BiiiiiigChips/Big Cat is going to have upon seeing this.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:16 PM   #13778
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Point them to my and xorbie's post count in this thread, and then compare that to BagCat's.

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Old 06-23-2008, 10:24 PM   #13779
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Hold on...everyone read my post after that. Is there anyone who would've taken Tarpley if he was available?
i would rather take miguel cairo in a baseball draft than tarpley
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:33 PM   #13780
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As I said though....I'm a huge fan of the Durant pick, but it just doesn't fit with your team one bit.
While I agree that it doesn't fit at all in my first couple of years, I think by year 3 (possibly even by next year) Durant could start putting up the stats he's supposed to. Plus, I wanted to have a little bit of a future and I think that Durant at 29 (while everyone else is at 34) could be the best wingman in our league. So it's a start.

PS: I figured out how to use proxy's so now I'm back on 2p2!!!!
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:36 PM   #13781
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I don't know why everyone keeps saying we all have offensive juggernauts. Look at the teams we have. Try to isolate the best offenses. Compare those offenses to this years best offensive teams: Phx, Utah, LAL. are the best offenses better?
I think some offenses will be better (the Kobe, Rashard, Big Al team comes to mind OTOH), but because of how good defenses are going to be, they won't look as good. IMO. Also, like seadood said, more depth.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:40 PM   #13782
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While I agree that it doesn't fit at all in my first couple of years, I think by year 3 (possibly even by next year) Durant could start putting up the stats he's supposed to. Plus, I wanted to have a little bit of a future and I think that Durant at 29 (while everyone else is at 34) could be the best wingman in our league. So it's a start.

PS: I figured out how to use proxy's so now I'm back on 2p2!!!!
Durant basically kept getting better every month of the season. He went from like 5 3PA to 1.5 3PA, and over the last month of the year, he was shooting over 50% from inside the arc.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:41 PM   #13783
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Two reasons why defenders are overrated in this draft:
- Zone defense: Since you can play zone, you can hide the weakest defender., and one on one defense loses of its value.
A good defensive coach can make your team into a decent defensive team, no matter who theplayer on the roster are.
- Hand check Rules: Perimeter defenders lose of their value as they are not as effective as they once were.
You need personnel to run defenses. That's why I built a really long team. I was watching some sports science show the other day, and basically adding an extra inch to your length adds like 3 feet overall to the area of your reach. Or something crazy like that. BTW, for anyone with comcast sports net, you gotta catch that show. It's awesome. They get some pretty famous athletes on it too (they had Quentin Jammer on it to see who hit harder between rugby players and football players).
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:43 PM   #13784
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I don't want to sound like a whiny *****, but I am to some extent, and I feel like people have just completely forgotten how utterly dominant Bird was. And he was no slouch defensively. 2 2nd team nods.

Basically I think the reason my team is underrated is that Bird is white, and guys like Dale and Vlade are themselves underrated (Dale especially), and even Cassell to some extent (recency bias ftw.. dude could pass).
I really like your team and think it's above average (IIRC, there were 14 teams that I really liked (not including my own). Also, some people might view it as a little less because your team won't really hit its stride until a couple years into this thing. But then it realllllly takes off.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:44 PM   #13785
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am i being skipped again ?
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:45 PM   #13786
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Are we in agreement with the following process for declaring a "winner":

1. Everyone force-rank franchises 1-39 (excluding self obv) based on "which I'd rather own". That's obviously subjective as some will rank short term way higher than long term, and all sorts of things in between. Good for debate.

2. Top 16 teams based on total points (39pts for 1st vote, 38pts for 2nd vote, etc) pair off in a "which franchise would I rather own" playoff style bracket with seedings.

3. Each matchup gets a thread, and we progress single elimination style until there is a winner.
I like this. I know I'd be down for a bigger thing, but it seems like a lot wouldn't and this is a good compromise.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:46 PM   #13787
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Folk be sleepin on my boys, yo
I actually really like your team, just am very bitter because I'm the biggest Nash fanboi OAT.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:47 PM   #13788
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Is there any link to what each team is right now? Or, not too long ago?
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:48 PM   #13789
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Regardless of how we determine "winner" I'd like to devote a thread entirely to purely hypothetical discussions of how specific teams match up against other teams. I think a lot of teams in this league are very versatile and while they may not look so hot on paper could really punish a lot of teams.

For example, a lot of owners went with big dudes who are +def but don't really have much offense besides being passed the ball next to the hoop and laying it in. Against a team like that, a team like nath's could start Dirk and Boozer and kill you with a well balanced post game and a ton of outside shooting. In order to prevent that you need a legit post scoring threat with size.

Similarly, take a team like Clark's. Defense looks real beastly obviously. But then look at a team like NPP. Well Larry Nance was tall but not very strong, you could easily get away with sticking Gerald Wallace on him. And Wallace has enough range to shoot a 3, so you force one of the great shot blockers to play away from the hoop. And by bumping G Wallace to the 4, you can actually go stretches playing Ben Gordon, Monta Ellis and Dwayne Wade at the same time (since Monta can cover Mookie, Gordon cover the smaller Houston and Wade can sorta man up on Butler. Suddenly this team is ridiculously quick and basically can't be covered.
Seriously just give BiiiiiigCat's team to xorbie and D
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:48 PM   #13790
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Oh and I'm fine with BigCat's team being reassigned and all that
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:51 PM   #13791
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Is there any link to what each team is right now? Or, not too long ago?
In the spreadsheet, at the top there is a 'teams' tab.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:54 PM   #13792
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seadood,

your team is very good. It does lack the "here's the ball, now get me a score" quality though. but your offense is like a 7.5/10 and defense is like a 9.5/10, so you should be well ahead by the time you need to get that basket.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:00 PM   #13793
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Seriously just give BiiiiiigCat's team to xorbie and D
Our picks will MELT YOUR FACE.

OK, maybe not. Maybe its more of a "toasting" action.

Your face will be LIGHTLY BURNT AROUND THE EDGES.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:02 PM   #13794
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Our picks will MELT YOUR FACE.

OK, maybe not. Maybe its more of a "toasting" action.

Your face will be LIGHTLY BURNT AROUND THE EDGES.
I will be so pissed if you steal my facemelter. FWIW, I am 80% sure BigCat's pick here would have been Len Bias.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:09 PM   #13795
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I will be so pissed if you steal my facemelter. FWIW, I am 80% sure BigCat's pick here would have been Len Bias.
Big Cat's team in the no-restrictions draft:

G Michael Ray Richardson
G Reggie Lewis
F Hank Gathers
F Len Bias
C Roy Tarpley

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Old 06-23-2008, 11:13 PM   #13796
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In the spreadsheet, at the top there is a 'teams' tab.
Ah,. thanks.

My favorite teams (not nec the best):
horizon- If only the Cavs surrounded LBJ with half this talent!
Seadood- Amazing team.
cowboy- Want to buy season tickets, also think somewhere in top 10 talent wise.
tbach- In the short term I think this team is incredible, not enough love.
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Old 06-24-2008, 12:17 AM   #13797
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ty vix.

have we reached a conclusion about x/d?
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:05 AM   #13798
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If we're going to skip them, lets get the pick up ASAP. It makes no sense to wait two days before finally coming to a decision because BiiiigChips might log on and see that it's time for his alterego to pick and the draft is no longer sped up by skipping. So, lets get it done.
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:16 AM   #13799
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i was really hoping BigCat would show up and flip out
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:23 AM   #13800
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i was really hoping BigCat would show up and flip out
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