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Old 01-18-2013, 03:33 PM   #2151
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Re: Manti Ruh R'oh

Boomer esiason just now on Jim Rome:

This will not effect t'eo's draft status at all. Teams draft criminals in the first round all the time.

Good talk
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:34 PM   #2152
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checking the phone records would be wise
Unless they get hacked they aren't seeing the light of day ever. CAA has already locked that **** down so tight it would probably take anyone short of the federal gov't >year to get at them.

This story is going to end with no charges to Ronaiah Tuiasosopo and he won't talk. gjge MSM
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:34 PM   #2153
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I agree with "started as a hoax, then after the fake death Te'o was really scummy and repeatedly and brazenly lied for attention/fame/etc"

the question is when Te'o realized. The most pro-Te'o side could argue he never knew until Dec 6th, he just was a scumbag who exploited her fake death and lied a bunch. The most anti-Te'o side will probably concede it doesn't make sense that he started the hoax, but that he likely knew early on and did not consider Lennay to be his gf or possibly even a real person.

Basically, is he super stupid (pro-Te'o) or really cynical/scammy (anti-Te'o)
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:34 PM   #2154
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:36 PM   #2155
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If Te'o is telling the truth, they gotta talk to the chick who played the gf. She talked to him every night for weeks. At some point she becomes the main person even if it was originally 'sopo's idea. Whatever bs she was feeding Te'o, he was buying it.

At first I thought he had to be in on it, but I guess it's possible he was duped. So we either have Manti Soze entering the NFL, or the biggest moron walking the face of the earth. Either way, I'm stocking up on a good year's supply of popcorn.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:40 PM   #2156
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For those of you who think he had no motive to be a part of this lie, isn't it motive enough that this story was the catalyst for him winning every award under the sun. The man was 57th in the country in total tackles per game and had 7 interceptions (a few a product of him running good). Yes he was on an undefeated team. Have there not been other great defensive players on undefeated teams in the past? Manti Te'o is a very good football player, yet extremely undeserving of the maxwell award and a second place finish in the Heisman race. The media adored this guy and ESPN pushed for this man to be a household name. Why? Well this story of two loved ones dying was a perfect way to have a country endear to Manti. Manti knew exactly what he was doing and it worked to a "T".
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:42 PM   #2157
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Te'o clearly had motives between gaining exposure for awards and attention which he seemed to love.

What I'm wondering is wtf Tuiasiopo would be getting out of this.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:43 PM   #2158
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if jarvis jones has a fake gf fake die the week before the florida game he wins the heisman.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:46 PM   #2159
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Tuiasosopo probably thought it was hilarious at the time. The amount of time he put into the hoax is greatly exaggerated imo.

At some point the media picked up on the story and T'eo ran with it.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:47 PM   #2160
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For those of you who think he had no motive to be a part of this lie, isn't it motive enough that this story was the catalyst for him winning every award under the sun. The man was 57th in the country in total tackles per game and had 7 interceptions (a few a product of him running good). Yes he was on an undefeated team. Have there not been other great defensive players on undefeated teams in the past? Manti Te'o is a very good football player, yet extremely undeserving of the maxwell award and a second place finish in the Heisman race. The media adored this guy and ESPN pushed for this man to be a household name. Why? Well this story of two loved ones dying was a perfect way to have a country endear to Manti. Manti knew exactly what he was doing and it worked to a "T".
I don't know exactly how in on it Te'o was, but this is correct with regards to awards.

Te'o is not really that remarkable a defender. He's quite good, but it would have been a joke if he won the Heisman. It was already a joke that he was there, as he's not even the best defender in CFB, the best lineback in CFB, and he's not really even that close. Jarvis Jones, Jadeveon Clowney and a few others are clearly superior.

(Aside - Jarvis Jones's tragic personal background is actually real, btw. Older brother murdered when Jarvis was 15, nearly dropped out of school due to emotional issues related to that. Adopted by a foster family and works through it, becomes football star, graduates. Breaks neck freshman year at USC, told he will never play again. Gets more opinions and comes to UGA and becomes a star. Actual overcoming of adversity imo.)

Te'o got all this play because ND was undefeated and because of his story. He absolutely would not be raking in the awards and attention without the story.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:50 PM   #2161
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if jarvis jones has a fake gf fake die the week before the florida game he wins the heisman.
real girlfriends tho...





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Old 01-18-2013, 03:53 PM   #2162
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:53 PM   #2163
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Tuiasosopo probably thought it was hilarious at the time. The amount of time he put into the hoax is greatly exaggerated imo.

At some point the media picked up on the story and T'eo ran with it.
did the media "pick up" on this story before the 2 deaths on the same day?
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:56 PM   #2164
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So Bill Polian said on ESPN that the way this is going to play out between Manti, his agents and NFL teams is going to be basically full confidential disclosure of exactly what happened and then they will have the choice to go with it or not.

I think at the end of the day, being a circumstantial liar is not as bad as what a lot of college athletes do, and if he can own up to exactly what parts of the story were embellished and come out with the whole truth from his POV in a way teams see as completely honest, he will still get drafted.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:56 PM   #2165
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WHO TALKED TO HIM FOR EIGHT HOURS?!

What did they talk about? Who the hell could make up a story for eight hours and for what? For lulz?

I guess I will go with originally pranked and played it for all it is worth regardless of when he knew.

Why believe anything he has to say anyway. And lolND investigation.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:58 PM   #2166
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if Hoya/horrowshow/other lawyers on the internet see this, care to estimate about the cost of a few escape goats in a situation like this? you need ppl to take the hit and stfu, how much roughly? (if say CAA was interested in that sort of thing)
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:01 PM   #2167
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Haven't seen this mentioned ITT yet:

From http://espn.go.com/college-football/...rlfriend-angle

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Dan Tudesco, a 2006 graduate who now works in public relations in New York, set up an online account at fundraising website indiegogo.com on Jan. 9 to solicit $5,000 for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society Inc. The initial pitch said donations would go to the society in memory of Lennay Kekua and in honor of Te'o, "two individuals who have been an inspiration to us through an iconic season."
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Notre Dame took notice of Tudesco's tweets about the fund drive and sent a university videographer to shoot an interview with him. The video was posted on the Notre Dame athletics YouTube channel Tuesday.
Notre Dame was promoting a charity event in Lennay Kekua's name on Tuesday, January 15th. That's 3 days ago!
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:02 PM   #2168
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That....... is ****ing incredible.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:03 PM   #2169
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if jarvis jones has a fake gf fake die the week before the florida game he wins the heisman.
and in a way this statement perfectly captures how awesomely absurd this situation is. so ty
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:03 PM   #2170
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If Te'o is telling the truth, they gotta talk to the chick who played the gf. She talked to him every night for weeks. At some point she becomes the main person even if it was originally 'sopo's idea. Whatever bs she was feeding Te'o, he was buying it.
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WHO TALKED TO HIM FOR EIGHT HOURS?!

What did they talk about? Who the hell could make up a story for eight hours and for what? For lulz?
People keep talking about this girl who was on the phone every night for weeks. Do we have any evidence of this existing besides Te'o saying that happened? I might be mixing up stories here, but my impression is:

-Te'o was duped into have some sort of online relationship, but never considered the girl his gf. Might have embellished it a little bit with his friends but nothing too crazy. This started in 2011, sometime before the Stanford game (because he apparently asked a Stanford player if he knew Lennay)
-Minor catfishing over the next year, but again nothing too crazy
-He finds out that the girl "died" and plays up the girlfriend angle when everyone gave him all that attention
-Discovers it's a hoax and decides, **** it, let's roll with it
-Retroactively makes up stories about how he met her in 2009 (when in reality the hoax started in 2011), how much time he spent on the phone with her and how much he loved her, etc.

Te'o could be telling the truth about being hoaxed from 2011-2012 and still have never talked to anyone. My impression is that was all stuff made up later for the publicity (including stuff about meeting her in 2009, etc). So this wasn't as long or as elaborate a hoax as people thought, just something that Te'o majorly embellished later.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:06 PM   #2171
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Haven't seen this mentioned ITT yet:

From http://espn.go.com/college-football/...rlfriend-angle

Notre Dame was promoting a charity event in Lennay Kekua's name on Tuesday, January 15th. That's 3 days ago!
pretty sure here they'll just claim miscommunication between departments, etc

like the coaches knew, but whoever was in charge of green-lighting the charity thing didn't

blah blah blah
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:06 PM   #2172
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People keep talking about this girl who was on the phone every night for weeks. Do we have any evidence of this existing besides Te'o saying that happened? I might be mixing up stories here, but my impression is:

-Te'o was duped into have some sort of online relationship, but never considered the girl his gf. Might have embellished it a little bit with his friends but nothing too crazy. This started in 2011, sometime before the Stanford game (because he apparently asked a Stanford player if he knew Lennay)
-Minor catfishing over the next year, but again nothing too crazy
-He finds out that the girl "died" and plays up the girlfriend angle when everyone gave him all that attention
-Finds out its a hoax and decides, **** it, let's roll with it
-Retroactively makes up stories about how he met her in 2009 (when in reality the hoax started in 2011), how much time he spent on the phone with her and how much he loved her, etc.

Te'o could be telling the truth about being hoaxed from 2011-2012 and still have never talked to anyone. My impression is that was all stuff made up later for the publicity (including stuff about meeting her in 2009, etc). So this wasn't as long or as elaborate a hoax as people thought, just something that Te'o majorly embellished later.
I'm going with this unless/until some hard evidence comes out otherwise
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:08 PM   #2173
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People keep talking about this girl who was on the phone every night for weeks. Do we have any evidence of this existing besides Te'o saying that happened? I might be mixing up stories here, but my impression is:

-Te'o was duped into have some sort of online relationship, but never considered the girl his gf. Might embellish it a little bit with his friends but nothing too crazy.
-He finds out that the girl "died" and went with it when everyone gave him all that attention
-Finds out its a hoax and decides, **** it, let's roll with it
-Retroactively makes up stories about how he met her in 2009 (when in reality the hoax started in 2011), how much time he spent on the phone with her and how much he loved her, etc.

Te'o could be telling the truth about being hoaxed from 2011-2012 and still have never talked to anyone. My impression is that was all stuff made up later for the publicity (including stuff about meeting her in 2009, etc). So this wasn't as long or as elaborate a hoax as people thought, just something that Te'o majorly embellished later.
Pretty much this. We've already established that he lied about meeting her and his teammates didn't even really consider her his "girlfriend".

Not much of a stretch to think he made up all those over-night phone calls as well.
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"escape goats"? really?
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:11 PM   #2175
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I want to apologize to Manti Teo For What I Did

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