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Old 01-18-2013, 04:12 PM   #2176
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So Bill Polian said on ESPN that the way this is going to play out between Manti, his agents and NFL teams is going to be basically full confidential disclosure of exactly what happened and then they will have the choice to go with it or not.

I think at the end of the day, being a circumstantial liar is not as bad as what a lot of college athletes do, and if he can own up to exactly what parts of the story were embellished and come out with the whole truth from his POV in a way teams see as completely honest, he will still get drafted.
I think circumstantial liar puts this extremely lightly.

He told an enormous lie on an enormous scale that is indicative of a significant personality disorder. There's a reason why this is such a huge news story, this **** doesn't happen to normal people.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:12 PM   #2177
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So basic Te'o defense:

- He liked the attention of having this seemingly hot Stanford girl interested in him, and he could keep her interest while going out and banging other chicks, etc.
- He thought the relationship with her was a total joke and probably thought of her as a not secret admirer, and maybe after a game at Stanford he could meet up and get laid, cool.
- Then the whole getting in a car accident, getting leukemia happened, so he all of a sudden took this admirer who he barely knew and decided he would milk this for all its worth, as clearly the girl was down with this bull**** story and sounding like she was so close to Te'o.
- He thinks she is real and is going through these problems, but he isn't really that involved with communicating with her.
- She dies and he def feels bad, etc. Even though everyone knows she is more or less a person he barely knows and is acting a little too sad, his grandmother did just die, so it makes sense this wouldn't make him feel any better.

He really had been hoaxed and just lied about the amount of communication he had with her to make them seem a ton closer than they were. At the end of the day he really thought she was this amazing person and with the few details he knew about her he filled in the blanks.

It is a huge stretch but I can almost convince myself I believe it if he were to admit to lying about the frequency and quantity of times they conversed.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:12 PM   #2178
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"escape goats"? really?
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:13 PM   #2179
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:23 PM   #2180
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:24 PM   #2181
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If Te'o is telling the truth, they gotta talk to the chick who played the gf. She talked to him every night for weeks. At some point she becomes the main person even if it was originally 'sopo's idea. Whatever bs she was feeding Te'o, he was buying it.
Apparently the girl is one of Tuiasosopo's cousins. Should narrow it down to about 40 girls.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:27 PM   #2182
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if Hoya/horrowshow/other lawyers on the internet see this, care to estimate about the cost of a few escape goats in a situation like this? you need ppl to take the hit and stfu, how much roughly? (if say CAA was interested in that sort of thing)
First off, I don't practice law and didn't pursue agency work after getting my J.D., either; I'm a teacher, almost three years removed from any agency work.

But, to answer your question, I think most would agree: unpredictable, but finite. Where Te'o is different from, say a USC QB projected to be a top-10 draft pick with -- let's say, hypothetically -- a sexual assault allegation, is that there's more a ceiling on his expected returns to an agency as: (a) a linebacker: and (b) NFL scouts maybe already seeing him as overrated. He isn't an RG3-type 'money in the bank' entity.

What an agency can do is refer those people, confidentially, to other agencies to represent those with something significant to create the narrative -- true or false. There's already speculation floating that this would make a great movie. My cynic-hat tells me that this buzz isn't completely spontaneous, but even if so, it's incredibly advantageous now for someone like Ronaiah, his cousins, and others to offer their details to someone who can make a profit on their investment in these scammers.

Purely a guess off the top of my head without inner-agency raw projections of Te'o's futures value. If people are getting paid to embellish facts, what they're paid has to be more than what they can be paid to unveil something that damns Te'o, though.

Where this is also very different from situations with criminal allegations is there's more gray area (if any area at all) where incentivizing the direction of the narrative is something of negative consequence. Without damages to person or property involved, it does greatly lower the risk and make it more plausible that anything we hear from anyone is bought.

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Old 01-18-2013, 04:30 PM   #2183
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The weirdest part of Alema's story involved a 9-year-old girl that Ronaiah had brought to the hotel room with him. Ronaiah allegedly introduced the girl as Lennay Kekua's cousin and someone that Manti had spoken to on the phone numerous times before while Lennay was in the hospital. But Alema claims that she was actually Ronaiah's little sister, and that Ronaiah was, "almost guarding her...not letting her speak for herself" while she was in the hotel room.

Alema's suspicions were raised further when Ronaiah began talking about a fundraising effort that he was spearheading. According to Alema, Ronaiah told him that he was creating a foundation to raise money for leukemia victims, and was currently trying to raise money for a friend of Lennay's who had been diagnosed with leukemia and needed money to pay for his tuition at Stanford. Alema believes that Ronaiah was somehow trying to get money out of Manti.

Garrard and Scott did ask Alema if he could explain why Manti and his father had previously stated that Manti and Lennay had met in person. Alema answered by saying that he wouldn't be surprised if Ronaiah had in fact hired a girl to pretend to be Lennay and sent her to meet with Manti in person. Alema said he did not believe that Manti had any part in perpetuating the hoax, and pointed to Ronaiah as the villain of this story.
Bolded give motive for the "all a hoax" theory
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:31 PM   #2184
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if Hoya/horrowshow/other lawyers on the internet see this, care to estimate about the cost of a few escape goats in a situation like this? you need ppl to take the hit and stfu, how much roughly? (if say CAA was interested in that sort of thing)
Explain what you mean. I know you mean "scapegoats" but what I mean is, are you asking what it would "cost" to get some of the participants to cover-up for Te'o by selling a story that protects him as not a liar? Are you asking how to quiet down people with pertinent information?

All these things can be done, cost is almost impossible to guess.

EDIT: Also, horrorshow is right about the value of this thing to begin with. If the shelf-life is really short, the numbers won't be very high. I don't see a motion picture in this, for example. Maybe an Oprah interview, some other paying interview. A group interview with scripted responses would be valuable. I'm just spitballing obviously. Also, Te'o has probably ruined most of his endorser value in advertising because he's pretty much a moron (right?) whose enthusiastic endorsement might not bolster a product in any way. I don't see windfalls anywhere.

EDIT2: Maybe turn it into a bullying PSA and link it to other recent internet scandals (suicidal teen girls) arising from blatant trolling? Start a foundation? Could take this interesting ways, but I don't see any of them as hyper lucrative.

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Old 01-18-2013, 04:32 PM   #2185
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I've thought since late the first evening it was "fooled, then played it up in a scummy way". But the longer he's silent and Tuiasosopo is MIA, the more I think there's something totally mind blowing in here somewhere. Why the eff would he not just come clean? Heck, why would Tuiasosopo not do the same? When people act like something really bad happened, I'm gonna assume something bad happened.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:40 PM   #2186
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Shelley Smith putting it all on Tuiasosopo.

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Old 01-18-2013, 04:41 PM   #2187
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Explain what you mean...
yeah i mean getting Ronaiah and whoever else (prob 1-2 ppl at least) to take the fall for this completely. yes we catfished him, no he didn't have any involvement, 100% victim, etc, etc, etc. the MSM seems dying to eat a story like that up, put a bow on it, and move on. this is all assuming that Manti has been in on it from the start, or has known that "Lennay" was fake a looong time ago.

if you have no idea about about cost then nvm on that. would you think it likely that CAA could/would draw up a plan of action like this for Manti and get it organized this quickly? what do you make of the fact that none of the key figures are talking, it's all 2nd hand from random friends, cousins, etc? feels like no one wants to be on record about anything, and see if this will just go away.

(and i mean, the fact is this thing wouldn't exist without Manti & his dad bc they are like 100% of Lennay's backstory, confirmation of her being real, etc)
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:43 PM   #2188
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It's obvious to me that everyone will have contacted a lawyer by now, and any smart lawyer will have said "do not say anything to anyone you idiot jesus christ liability EVERYWHERE," etc., etc.

Silence would just be good advice.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:43 PM   #2189
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MTV has been showing a "Catfish" marathon all day. Watched a few episodes, interesting stuff. Seems really impossible to successfully pull this off unless you are the same sex of the person you are pretending to be OR sound like that sex (which it seems way more difficult for a guy to sound like a girl than vice versa).
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:46 PM   #2190
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I've thought since late the first evening it was "fooled, then played it up in a scummy way". But the longer he's silent and Tuiasosopo is MIA, the more I think there's something totally mind blowing in here somewhere. Why the eff would he not just come clean? Heck, why would Tuiasosopo not do the same? When people act like something really bad happened, I'm gonna assume something bad happened.
Could just be he is afraid with what is happening to LA right now that being branded a huge self promoting lying piece of **** could ruin all his value as an endorser of products, as hoya said, and.... lawyers.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:49 PM   #2191
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Manti Te'o is telling friends ... he knew the truth about Lennay Kekua in early December ... but continued the lie for 20 days for the sake of his team.

Sources connected to Te'o say ... it's true what ND Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick said Wednesday night, that Manti realized he had been hoaxed on Dec. 6, when he got a phone call from "Lennay" ... months after he thought she was dead.

But sources tell us ... Manti didn't tell his coaches about the hoax until Dec. 26 ... because he thought it would be a huge distraction while the team prepared to face Alabama in the BCS Championship.

During the 20 days, we're told Manti struggled over how to handle the situation ... but eventually felt compelled to come clean to his coaches.

Manti is currently training for the NFL combine -- and we're told he's getting a lot of support from the guys he's been training with.

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Old 01-18-2013, 04:51 PM   #2192
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Dating chick IRL after MK passed away

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Old 01-18-2013, 04:54 PM   #2193
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:56 PM   #2194
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Dating chick IRL after MK passed away

http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/18/manti-...dra-del-pilar/
damn. he got over his the love of his life pretty quick.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:59 PM   #2197
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Starting to look like:

Legit fooled -> Embellished for PR purposes

Right?
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:02 PM   #2198
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Starting to look like:

Legit fooled -> Embellished for PR purposes

Right?
yup

We may have to begin to consider if Ronaiah Tuiasosopo is one of the GOAT trolls of our time.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:02 PM   #2199
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If the real deal is legit fooled, and we're trying to be real about this, it seems like probably he let this go on for years because dumb guy + hot chick = all kinds of dumb ****. He probably tapped plenty on the side so didn't really NEED to actually sleuth this out. Elaboration probably all a result of actually being tricked by the cancer crap and the story being so fantastical that it exploded. Jock not wanting to harm team is kind of believable, especially if for him this was not actually the most important thing going on in his life, so he lies to keep ND's amazing season unblemished. Then **** goes crazy.

I don't find this impossible. It's dumb as hell, but not impossible.
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damn. he got over his the love of his life pretty quick.
seemed almost instant, given that he didn't even attend the funeral or anything

just "sent some white roses" or whatever and moved on...

weird, huh?
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