One where heart and skill are sufficient to beat the odds ....

Yea look it up if you want. I was way above 20% in 18-man games for a significant period. 15-25% is about standard for the better regs, long-term. What is it that makes ROIs real or imaginary? I posted a sample not so long ago with > 2000 MTTs and my ROI was just above 100%. I've now slipped back to about 84% or something by playing too many NLHE turbo MTTs but whatever, I'll fix that.

your inconsistent graph...your like ryan riess saying hes the best poker player in the world!

your lightyears away from beeing a 100% roi player!

Said the observer a parsec away

so here we have you:
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losing money fore 1500ish games, saying you were able to keep up 100% roi consistently!

big lolz on that one!

and here we have a mate of mine, who i used to discuss hands with, fyi he's by far the best o8 player i know and actually has 90% roi, now lets have a look on his 1500 games on stars, a amount of games you lost money.

his stars only.

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so basically what you would say ryan, is, that your the better player right?

btw. he crys about getting coolered as much as you do...but look at the outcome!

The technical term goes by the acronym, "FML"

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that biood is the best

quantum you have played 1360 mtt's according to OPR. only 1126 according to sharkscope. You do know that sharkscope is historically very unreliable right? And misses quite a few games.

Anyway. I suggest you opt in to OPR.

So to say a while back you posted a sample of 2000 mtts isn't the truth now is it!

And just over 1k games is a lol sample so to even talk about you having some kind of 100% roi is pretty laughable.

You have a very low average buyin as you have generally played micros and out of your 14k total profit 6k has come from 5 wins in $2 rebuy 3 times turbo luckfests and 6.5k from your scoop fixed limit bink. You have only ever played 10 mtts with buyins > $55 so you are never playing against the best o8 mtt regs.

If you take off the $215 fix limit score and tour top 5 of these 2r 3x turbo scores you are only in profit from regular big bet mtts of less than $2000.

That would be more of a true reflection were you are in regular O8 mtt's ROI/profit wise. You will probably dispute what I am saying but anyone that in knowledgable about mtt's will agree with me so you're really only kidding yourself by quoting these numbers and stopping yourself from improving your game. If you had a true 90% ROI in mtts as hake said you would be about the best and it is really just silly to say you are up there with the top mtt players.

You actually think you played this well right?

preflop call is terrible lol. You are not nearly deep enough to be flatting with hands like this from this early position facing a raise. No suited ace never mind no a2.

so you hit a perfect flop for this hand and you face a c bet of 1k and with players to act behind you flat leaving yourself 2.4k behind and then what do you do on the turn. So bad lol.

If any good mtt players found himself in this spot on the flop it's the easiest shove ever while you have good FE and the very best draw you could hope for while folding out 2 pairs like a2,2q and bigger aces but you decide to nut peddle versus the fish and one of them lol leads the river for 200 after you were very lucky they all check turn giving you an easy steal and you post the hand as an example of how 'skillful' you are.

this is a remarkable fail even for your standards.

It seems like it would be super hard to know one's true roi in O8 mtts. The time it would take to reach a significant sample size would take several years and at that point the state of the games may have changed significantly. Also O8 mtts in which you can win 20k+ are such a rarity yet can have such a significant effect on your roi.

+1

Yep I am aware that stats are unreliable and don't necessarily tell the full picture but according to my stats I have played > 3,000 MTTs in the last 18 months. I think I've said a few times here that I don't really care about the stats. Three little numbers I quote to biood and look at the response I get though

You know me better than that. Dispute, you, me? nah.

Didn't you post numbers of > 100% ROI for OH8? Don't most of the regs, not even necessarily the good ones, have an ROI > 50% in mtts? I think a number around 70-90% is entirely plausible, indeed is expected by the top 50 or so players.

Uhhhh, "well", might be pushing it under technical analysis but I really liked it from my POV.

So I'm a nit, right? I think I know A (3 4) 5 isn't optimal from early position. The table wasn't in shove-tard mood at this time tho and the big stack early raiser kinda insulates me from the later re-raises. Obv I was folding to any re-raise but for 2BBs I think most of the time you are happy to see a flop with 4 wheel cards, right? The odds of making a wheel with A 2 is exactly the same as for A 3, 4 or 5.

Hit an ALMOST perfect flop. You gotta realise that even if the odds say I make a low hand 65-75%, that in reality, I don't make those lows. I think the call on flop is just fine, sure, I can shove and MAYBE get FE but if I get called and don't hit, I'm gone. I don't see how I can push 2 pair off the flop (or even a similar hand to my own) with a relatively short stack.

I could shove the turn but if I'm honest, I was always playing to make nut low or fold from the start. Having bricked, sure, again, maybe I get FE, maybe not (I feel my turn shove got 2 callers).

And yea on the river I don't think that's an "easy" steal. Is it ever "easy" to re-shove with no hand vs a guy that has you > 3-1 in chips? Is a min-bet always a scared bet, never a milking play with quads?

Anyway, I know I could have played the hand differently on every street (and generally would) but why I like it is because I had zero luck but won the pot anyway. I posted this bc you were asking how I could possibly ever win if I run sooooo bad? Well if no1 sees your cards, they don't really matter, now do they?

With logic like that i can see how 100% ROI must come easy to you.

I dont play tournys so my opinion is pretty meaningless but i think i would flat the flop. Just for entirely different reasons to quantum.

hell yeah, best in hyper HT's and best in football... GERMAN TAKEOVER

nah nah I think you are talking about total mtt's. I was quoting your O8 mtt's. Not sure why we would be talking about any other games bar O8.

I've played almost 6k between stars and FTP but that over 4 years and everything changes so much and I don't have a large sample size of higher buyins and if I bink a scoop like a 2k plo8 which is obv a total different level of buyin then my ROI would have shot up by a mile.

I don't think about ROI too much these days. I just want to play well and run good and try and play the best value mtt's a long with some high buyin shots and keep trying to check over HH etc. That goes for all games not only O8

aye you lot always seem to get there at football no matter how average the punditz say you are pre event.

congrats germany

I understand your points but I think this is somewhat mitigated by the fact that 08 regs play in smaller mtts which should mean the variance is less theoretically.

I think 10k is a reasonable number.

I agree that 10k is a reasonable number.

As an estimate for the outdraws you put on the field tonight, yes, I agree 10K is a reasonable number.

Straight up beast mode tonight son

Started to play a few again and it feels like people have got more aggro....except biood who I have to say has impressed me and seems more solid. Seen some super spew plays, mainly from Hazard and a few from someone called AlexMck.

Overall, seem tougher than when I last played them regularly.

Gl all.

hazard has had my life this month, he doesnt lose...

n yeah ive made some spewy plays, been tilting a bit coz iv ran pretty poop all month lol

duno what im doing wrong atm... my ev line is going up but not where it needs to be

What is your BB/100? Mine is 9, and 11 ev. Doesn't seem to mean much.

Huh?

Don't be a hater m8

Sure you have to be lucky to win MTT's but I felt I played well had high amount of none show down winnings and generally got it in with the best of it.

Don't even go there Scruff man!

I assume you bossed another MTT and won AGAIN