methadone wd is nasty and longest i've heard of is like 9months+, tapering off.

dope wd isn't fatal.

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Let me put it this way.

IV heroin vs snorting heroin, snorting heroin is like 2.5-4, first 5-10minutes, snorting heroin is like 1.5 vs IV which is a 10.

however as far as overall rush is concerned, shooting cocaine has a stronger rush but different than dope, and shooting coke + heroin is outlandish.

i used to prefer to go through my powder first though, then fall back onto dope. When mixing a speedball if the ratios are off one feeling can overpower the other, like you'll get the dope rush but the powder could overpower it so you miss some of it which is disappointing.




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OP stated $70/10 which is pretty solid. I've heard of cheaper, but I also heard the bags were ****.
Without trying to war story too much because it doesn't do me any good, around Philly, bundles r normally 14 bags. I mean I've heard ppl push bundles at 12/13 but that means they're normally scooping one off the top.
i no longer enjoyed weed so ... meh


Or because it just makes more sense. Also the rush is better on dope, so I hear. I never shot any OCs, or did OCs.

Only pharmaceutical that is going to surpass / rival heroin is dilaudid.

yeah when i copped in philly they had 13. that doesn't exist around here (hampton roads).

A lot of the health problems being attributed to heroin use you guys are talking about is actually the result of the crap street heroin is cut with or takes into account the risk of using dirty needles or not injecting properly. If you were able to use pure heroin, only used clean needles, and never overdosed, I think there are very few if any long term health problems. Obviously most people don't have access to pure heroin so it isn't like I am arguing that using heroin isn't bad for you physically. I am just saying it is interesting that the drug itself causes very few long term health problems.

If we had a kilo of anti-matter we could fly to mars.

They are USA GOV numbers but I can't remember the citation. You can probably find it if you have more free time than me.

Guys, how are your teeth?

Horrible. My teeth need a TON of work. I'm trying to go to one of those dental schools where students do the work cause I can't afford it.

... don't know much about whether it's a product of being lazy and not having as good of hygeine as a normal person, or if the actual heroin itself decayed my teeth. I suspect it's a bit of both.

bison, if you don't mind me asking, have you had to deal with any drug addictions in your life? I think I remember reading you recently quit smoking cigarettes, but was wondering more along the lines of harder drugs. Have you ever had a problem with alcohol or any street drugs?

i stopped smoking cigs because i'd start to feel sick when i was high on heroin.

heroin > cigs.

i stopped dope, went into rehab not smoking, went to aftercare (more treatment after rehab), picked it back up, i used to smoke a pack and a half a day. amounts been fluctuating, so my teeth are getting worse as far as color.

i clench my teeth alot, dr thought i might be grinding, i think it just has to do with clenching, rather than grinding during sleep.

i've never had a cavity. however i've grinded the tops of my teeth off from clenching, i'd probably attribute some of it to not being able to feel / notice i'm clenching.

heroin doesn't make your jaw clench like rolling on E and blowing lines of coke, i once felt that for like 5 days after.

i didn't lose teeth.
my last run (use), i held a job for the entire time so I was still showering, brushing teeth, shaving, etc.

i was on and off for a few years. last run was like 6 months. it progressively gets more and more expensive.

i'm a heroin addict, but i also was in and out of the gym with a diet that would put 95%+ of the population to shame.

back to like 11-13% bodyfat looking lean as **** with my lifts back up.

(i identity as an alcoholic/drug addict)

no i wasn't a big drinker, didn't get me off like heroin/cocaine
however the reasons i was drinking was based on addict thinking, most of the time.

also when you're high on dope, 5 drinks gets you demolished.
obviously, you can still build a tolerance however painkillers + more alcohol, more depressants and you're getting into some dangerous territory.

yes, ironic, considering heroin in general is dangerous, however the likelihood of just dying from heroin alone is very small.

alot of ppl OD while mixing pharmies + dope, or other substances.
or they stop / get out of rehab, go back fix up a shot, like the used to.
surprise, your tolerance is lower.
prehab, shoot 50 dollars of dope in a shot, feel awesome.
after rehab, shoot 50 dollars of dope, feel nothing anymore.

I drank 4-7 nights a week for 8-9 years. Very often by myself. Haven't had a drink in over a year and a half. Had a couple of smoke pot every day for months periods too, but meh (2 years+ since I think?). Don't have booze cravings unless I'm super tired/stressed. Have cigarette cravings very frequently but have had no close calls in 10 months.

I ask about the teeth cause nowadays I do substance abuse counseling at a free clinic in San Francisco. We get the big four: booze, coke, dope, meth. I do 8-15 hours of therapy a week with folks in all stages of recovery. Teeth is by far the number one physical issue.

Opiates cause dry mouth and dry mouth causes a faster rate of tooth decay.

yeah.. I used to wake up with my mouth like completely dry. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.

I heard methadone is the worst when it comes to tooth decay......I had several friends who got on it and their teeth just started crumbling apart within a few months.

I've been a Lurker here for like 5+ years. Been borderline addicted for about a year an a half. Did my first line of OC with 2 very close friends an hour after my last high school football playoff game (lol) when I had the game of my life but we lost in the last 30 seconds. Thought addicts were just weak people and that I could handle it but damn I was wrong. Would do it once every couple weeks but by spring time I was doing 40 lines of OC about 4-5 times a week.

When the summer came and I had some cash I did it pretty much when ever I could score and must of spent around $2500-$3000 on the damn things. It sucks cuz I really had everything going for me; smart, athletic 3-sport athlete, class clown, partied every weekend with friends I've had since grade school. I've only snorted heroin a few times and only like 1-3 bags at a time. Luckily I had good enough grades to get into my flagship state college where I have no connects and am not trying to find one there. The worst part is I love my home town as much as anyone can but I know I have connects here so I always end up scoring something when I go home. None of my family knows and only a hand full of friends do. Been doing a lot of ya-yo at school on the weekends which is a much much less dangerous drug obviously.

thats a pretty bold statement. can you give more detail why you believe cocaine to be so much less harmful?

Because it seems like a recreational drug and heroin seems like a drug abusers drug, obviously this is self created to not feel as bad about doing it but it's also the MO of anyone using drugs that knows it is not good for them.

I believe it to be less harmful because I think it has a considerable lower risk of addiction than other drugs.

In the book 1989 book, Never Too Young to Die: The Death of Len Bias, the author (Lewis Cole Columbia Professor who passed away in 08) says that cocaine isn't addicting in the same way that opiates are. He says that there isn't the "hurt," or more common term - withdrawal, that opiates users experience when they can't get their fix. The physical signs of vomiting and shaking aren't seen. There may be a varying amount of mental want (need?) for cocaine depending on the individual, but the rest of the body can function without its presence. This book is over 20 years old so there could most def be studies that contradict the lack of physical dependence that Lewis claims, but I think the general idea of a heroin withdrawal being significantly worse than a cocaine withdrawal is absolutely true.

So basically a person doesn't need to wake up to a line of coke to have the motivation to get out of bed. Expanding on this I think that Cocaine's reputation as a party drug is true in the sense that coke dealers are much busier on the weekends as opposed to opiate dealers who are selling to the same people almost everyday. There are coke users who I'm sure buy everyday, but I think that's the exception more then the rule. And I don't know **** about crack besides dealers offering it to me.

which other drugs?

what about sweating? chills? anxiety? depression? I've seen plenty of cocaine addicts shaking.

You seem to be discounting the mental cravings... even most heroin addicts will tell you that the withdrawal is the "easy" part. the hard part is staying away. seriously, don't discount this.


AIDS is worse than cancer IMO too

No, scoring the coke is plenty of motivation to get outta bed. you just need the line of coke for everything else you gotta do all day.

I don't even know how you came to this conclusion, but i'm just trying to tell you to be careful... not trying to preach. I mean I wouldn't wish drug addiction on anyone... it's really horrible, it really makes you feel soul-less.

Yeah I didn't mean to say other drugs I meant as compared to opiates as obviously cocaine is more addictive then weed and some other drugs.

In the college atmosphere that I currently live in cocaine isn't too uncommon in the party scene and I think that most adults would really be surprised at the amount of usage that occurs. The school is known as a "party school" but really what 20,000+ student college isn't these days. At the same time this doesn't prevent most students who use coke while partying from functioning throughout the week; they still go to classes, do homework, etc. Now if those same students who use cocaine were to start doing Perc 30s or bags of heroin during the weekend instead of the cocaine they currently use, then within a month the vast majority of those students wouldn't be able to function during the week unless they had their opiates. I'm not trying to say that people who start using cocaine strictly as a party drug don't become addicted to cocaine and crave it throughout the work week, but I think that it really is much less likely to happen. I personally as of now couldn't see myself doing coke without partying.

Whether or not those of us who use cocaine will be able to enjoy partying without doing a few lines is another question. "My friend" has been getting free/inexpensive Yay because he's been grabbing it for friends who use so his dude hooks him up with some on the cheap. I don't do too much when I use - around a half gram if I'm going to a good party and I usually do it 1 or 2 out of 3 nights between thursday and saturday. I still drink and enjoy myself on the night(s) when I don't use cocaine, but I've also not been using for long so It could just be that I'm in the "honeymoon" stage of the drug.

In regards to the physical signs of coke withdrawal I was just going off of what I have read in a 20 year old book so yeah Idk how extreme the physical symptoms are. The mental craving I think for coke is dependent on the user while heroin cravings are much more the same between users due to the nature of the drug and the way it controls 99.xx% of frequent users lives. I really think that cocaine can strictly be a recreational, minimally destructive drug. The hangovers do suckk though.

I've just had a dealer tell me that its easier if I get at them on a Wednesday and to some extent on Thursday cuz they're less busy and don't have the weekend rush of buyers.

My teeth are alright, but not as good as they should be. I was pretty obsessed with brushing my teeth when I was doing dope all those years. I started smoking again when I was in rehab though so they'll only get worse I suppose.

And heroin totally ****ed up my body. I had a heroin induced stroke, and ever since then I can't lift my right arm over my head without some discomfort. Seems like my circulation isn't as good as it used to be either.

When I overdosed and ended up in the hospital they were keeping an eye on my heart cause apparently I damaged it.

Have you ever read Trainspotting?

Try speedballs.

what is the hardest to overcome benzo withdrawal or heroin withdrawal?

for me heroin withdrawal was infinitely worse, but i also abused it alot more than the benzos. at one point i was getting 120 1mg xanax and only taking 1 or 2 a day and selling the rest. like i said the only withdrawal i dealt with was basically not sleeping for a week. i wasn't in pain though, just exhausted. also i kicked the benzos when i first got locked up so also had the anxiety of going to jail for the first time.

heroin withdrawal is just suffering 24 hours a day for several days, all while knowing you can make the pain disappear in a matter of seconds if you wanted to.