Heroin is the most addicitve drug out there and destroys the most lives, also the fact that people inject it makes it seem really dirty. I can't see why anyone would try heroin unless they were mentally in a really dark place at the time. Although people get addicted to all kinds of drugs heroin just seems like the final step.....

Yeah, just the word "heroin" is evil to most people. The fact that it's an IV drug definitely has a lot to do with it. Also other factors contribute, like the fact that it's mostly a problem in the poor/black communities.

As far as shooting it, I was never grossed out by the idea of shooting up. I mean, I can go to rite aid and pay $2.99 (no sales tax) for ten clean needles. It's not like all addicts are sitting around sharing needles with transexuals. I only snorted dope once before I tried shooting it, and that was because I hadn't yet learned how to buy needles.

Great thread

Sorry if this has been asked before, but i have been wondering

on a 1-10 scale determining how strong the effect/high is, heroin being 9 or 10 (i assume), where would strong indoor weed be standing?

I think it's preety stupid to try and compare cannabis to heroin, the effects are obviously quite vastly different........

Seems like nowadays people get addicted to OCs then switch to heroin when they can't afford pills.

Have you ever tried 'designer drugs'/research chemicals?

ive done plenty of ketamine, and also DMT a few times.

what about the newer stuff like mpdv and mephedrone etc

nope never heard of them. last time i did any kind of obscure chemical drug was 2003ish, so im not hip to all the new stuff.

I think that's actually true of the overwhelming percentage of heroin abusers. They didn't start out with it, it's a natural progression of 1) ease of availability, 2) cheaper cost, and 3) the buildup of physical dependence requiring an increasing dose which the OCs eventually cannot provide.

I remember reading something once by one of the lead actors on the movie Trainspotting, he was saying something along the lines of that in order to better understand his part he wanted to shoot heroin just once but that he didn't "out of respect" for those with a heroin addition. Or something lame like that. The conceit struck me as kind of hilarious, he merely wanted to dip his toe into the pool to see what the water is like but somehow felt he was above falling in.

That's not to say that he couldn't get away with it - I'm pretty sure that addiction rates are fairly low at least relative to how they are sensationalized, but it's nonetheless a game of Russian Roulette to some degree.

I'm not sure what this chart means by "physical harm" but afaik prolonged heroin use causes very few if any physical long term problems. Maybe they are talking about all complications related to heroin use like using dirty needles or risk of overdose? But just using heroin causes much less harm to your body than prolonged and sustained addiction to cigarettes or alcohol.

Yeah, alot of people don't realize that opiate addiction does very little long term damage without other factors. Someone being prescribed medical grade opiates could shoot up for years without doing major damage to their bodies, whereas someone shooting medical grade coke or amphetamines would have major heart problems, etc.

Also wrt to that chart, LSD has actually zero physical harm from the drug itself, more just harm from what user do while on it.

awesome thread.

What advice would you give to above?

I have a nephew that does/ did ocy very heavy. Now he's on methodne 60mgs a day. Functions well on it but needs to get off...what advice?

Thanks I n advance.

is he getting the methadone off the street or through a clinic? if its thru a clinic they should be able to taper you off over time..

I think it goes 32% of all first time tobacco users become addicted, 23% of first time heroin users, benzos, alcohol, and 9% for cannabis. I can't remember the numbers for some but I did for the main ones. These are addiction %s for first time user.

have a think about those figures.

I just saw this thread for the first time today and read through the whole thing. Congrats to Layzie and Benny, and all the guys who posted and shared their insights in this thread. There is just a ton of truth and wisdom in this thread.

Great reason to start shooting dope. Oh well, you might die or completely **** up your life, but hey your body won't be so bad.

Kinda funny, since I used to bring this up to my junkie friends.

lol at no long term effects. Yeah, I guess this picture is just bull****. Collapsed veins and heart infection don't sound bad at all.

Talk about misinformed. Opiod abuse has tons of long term effects, are you guys trolling? Not to mention widthdrawls can kill people. I guess you havent heard of the people whos livers start to fail, or whos hearts become damaged. Never mind peoples digestive systems being in shambles. Sad to say my aunt was a heavy user, she ended up dying from pneumonia induced by opiod abuse. There are also a huge chunk of psycological disorders that can start from long term abuse.

Completely understand what being an addict can do to you. What we are saying is that those who are able to quit are better of than say a meth addict who had been using for the same time period.

From what I understand, most of the negative effects of opiates occur only when addicted (or on withdrawal) whereas something like meth may cause damage that never goes away even after quitting.

No one is trying to argue it is not bad for you but I believe medical consensus is that all else equal a prescription opiate addict would be much better off physically after quitting than an prescription amphetamine addict. Obviously heroin is worse than prescription opiates given cuts.

Yea definately, in that vid I posted the guy lasts 24 hours after he checks into rehab and dies of a brain heamorige (spelling?) from withdrawal.

He gets it from a clinic, supposed to taper off. He is 22 now, Been taking for 5 months
Is taking 9 hours in school, after reading this entire thread i have suggested he taper down now, and next month when school ends to detox. He has insurance. What would you guys uggest?

Is this actually true? I know injection steroids are much safer/better for your liver and kidneys than eating the pills.

Does insurance cover that crazy one-day induced coma withdrawal? I would go for that. Anyone here done it?