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01-09-2010 , 11:51 PM
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01-09-2010 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by McTooty
I just have a question about playing Micro's. 2nl, 5nl etc.

How long at one time, playing how many tables, do you guys usually play for at one time too build your bankroll?
1-3 hours a night, 4 tabling. Start with one table though, make sure you're getting good reads on your opponents, then move to two, and don't add any more until you achieve the same level of comfort that you had with one table.
01-09-2010 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BlaneH
I'm never folding KJs at 5nl 6max there. Ever. If you are you really need work on your post flop game. The hand (pre river obv) proves why the implied odds are huge. I don't remember read on opponent but I'm guessing if I stacked off on turn he was a fish who I knew was calling with any ace with good kicker/two pair

I do need to work on my postflop game and its good that you point that out. In the meantime I get around that fact by taking advantage of weaker players when I have position or a stronger hand. OOP just makes it so much harder and I prefer to keep things easy until I improve as a player.

Most of us here are building our roll and gaining exp so pointing out the easy way is what Im all about.

Absolutely nothing wrong with taking a flop on this hand if your post flop game is good enough.
01-10-2010 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MicrostakeDegen




Whats your thoughts on this hand? Im def shoving cos I have some fold equity, but is it ever a call? Vilian is same as previous hand, 58/36/2 over 2k hands.

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $2.78
UTG: $7.23
Hero (MP): $6.52
CO: $5.93
BTN: $5.62
SB: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with A 5
UTG raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 2 3 3 (3 players)
BB bets $0.05, UTG raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.45, BB folds

Turn: ($1.42) J (2 players)
UTG bets $6.63 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Final Pot: $1.42
UTG wins $1.33
(Rake: $0.09)

Graph for the day



Bank roll $257 including rake back.

Going to stay at 5nl until I hit $300.
fold pre

as played 3bet flop ... villian looks like he has an overpair ... if it's AA we have 13 outs ... if it's TT-KK, we have 16 outs ... using the rule of 4 and 2 to calculate hand equity, we are ahead in both cases (13 x 4 = 52%) (16 x 4 = 64%) ... if he shoves snap call

turn is a fold as played

Last edited by unbjames; 01-10-2010 at 12:02 AM. Reason: turn action added
01-10-2010 , 12:03 AM
I totally agree that position is huge at the micros and you are wise to avoid playing pots OOP but I think KJs/KQs/J10s type hands get a lot of value at micros since people are stacking off so terribly/light so personally I feel ok taking a flop with them If you don't feel comfortable I absolutely agree with fold pre but you really shouldn't be THAT scared of playing a hand like KJs oop. It's pretty straight forward. Only flops you are going to get into major trouble with is K high flops which even then you shouldn't be losing big pots with.
01-10-2010 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaneH
I totally agree that position is huge at the micros and you are wise to avoid playing pots OOP but I think KJs/KQs/J10s type hands get a lot of value at micros since people are stacking off so terribly/light so personally I feel ok taking a flop with them If you don't feel comfortable I absolutely agree with fold pre but you really shouldn't be THAT scared of playing a hand like KJs oop. It's pretty straight forward. Only flops you are going to get into major trouble with is K high flops which even then you shouldn't be losing big pots with.
Your posts are always helpful and this one is no different. Since posting in these threads my game has def improved.
01-10-2010 , 12:09 AM
getting c/r in a 3way pot with an overpair is almost fun
01-10-2010 , 12:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by unbjames
fold pre
Thanks mate, good advice but Im never folding pre vs that villian when rest of the table is so passive, a suited ace is way ahead of most of his range. Think your right though, a shove or 4 bet looks good after he 3 bets flop.
01-10-2010 , 12:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by McTooty
I just have a question about playing Micro's. 2nl, 5nl etc.

How long at one time, playing how many tables, do you guys usually play for at one time too build your bankroll?
I dont have specific limits except <=4 tables and playing well. Won't play at all if I don't think I'd play well. I'll generally open 3 initially but play tight on all for first few orbits. I'll open a fourth if I've been at the limit a while. I'll check tables regularly if they are still worth sitting at. If I'm ever not playing well or only left with one table I that is good and I have "lots" of hands on I'll end session. No real use "continuing" a session when it basically means finding all new tables and reads, unless you have position on a super mega ultra tilted fish on someone on the last table .

Quote:
Originally Posted by unbjames
I fold this pre

as played however, checkraise bigger ... tons of draws we want to charge and lesser hands we want to take to valuetown ... I might even lead .60 here, because this flop smacks UTG's range right between the eyes and he's passive as heck ... we want to get as much money in the pot as quickly as we can

turn = all-in every day of the week!
Yeah, just so its been pointed out: This is the exception to basically all my PF rules. I'll rarely cold call out of BB, and rarely even play J9o except BU.

Thanks for the rest, I am starting to curse two pairs that aren't top two .
01-10-2010 , 12:16 AM
Two pair that's not top two has a decent amount of negative implied odds at micros since most donks are stacking off with top pair and you will be counterfeited a fair bit. I hate stacking off with middle two pair tbh.
01-10-2010 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaneH
I hate stacking off with middle two pair tbh.
I agree but like you said at the micros people stack of with tptk so often its got to be profitable long term?
01-10-2010 , 12:20 AM
Thanks for the answers. I play 1-2 Hours a night on two tables, and i can do that comfortably and leave turning over a profit.

I was gonna try PM you BlaneH, see if we could chat on MSN, but my account is too new atm lol.
01-10-2010 , 12:21 AM
lol the 49/19 at my table (my direct right) is pretty much hitting everything in the deck and stack donk after donk just donating their money to him..... I feel a buyin or two coming my way
01-10-2010 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
lol the 49/19 at my table (my direct right) is pretty much hitting everything in the deck and stack donk after donk just donating their money to him..... I feel a buyin or two coming my way
Know what you mean lol. As you have position I would 3 bet light and he will prob pay you off when you hit a hand.
01-10-2010 , 12:25 AM
hitting a hand is what seems to be the problem here.
01-10-2010 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MicrostakeDegen
I agree but like you said at the micros people stack of with tptk so often its got to be profitable long term?
Oh definitely. I'm just saying I never feel TOO confident when doing it.
01-10-2010 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
hitting a hand is what seems to be the problem here.
lol yeah, stick with it and he will pay you off eventually.
01-10-2010 , 12:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
Oh definitely. I'm just saying I never feel TOO confident when doing it.
Know what you mean. If I have position and the board isn't too draw heavy I will check the turn for pot control and value the river if it didn't complete any obvious draws.
01-10-2010 , 12:37 AM
well i went against myself after saying i was gonna be really BR nitty before taking more shots at 25nl..

watched a DC vid and was feeling motivated to try again..

played 2 tables for like an hour just to get a feel for what the regs do and really paid attention to the differences between 10nl and 25nl..

played 220 hands made $14 so i was happy and quit while i was ahead

656-670
01-10-2010 , 12:37 AM
For all those who hate short stackers. I have position of a guy trying to play short stack (but is deep). Taken 2 buyins off him in three hands of the 26 at this table thus far. He's on my direct right, he basically shoves over any PFR. KK > 55, AQ > 33, AA > 77 (on flop)
01-10-2010 , 12:41 AM
mbn
01-10-2010 , 12:57 AM
I deliver. A graph of a short stacker to cheer anyone up at the beats they deal you .



EDIT: I'm hands 3, 8 and 26 I think.
01-10-2010 , 01:02 AM
An average of 1 set every 32 pp's is standard right?
01-10-2010 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MicrostakeDegen
Know what you mean lol. As you have position I would 3 bet light and he will prob pay you off when you hit a hand.
You would 3bet light because there's a guy sitting to your right who is a 49/19? Come sit at my table, I'll save you a spot on my left..
01-10-2010 , 02:34 AM
What not to do:

Bluff someone off aces @ 10nl with KJs = -1 Buy In
Play 8X 1.10 45 mans and only cash once for 7th place = -$6.80
Play the $1R and lose everytime you go in PF with the Best Hand = -$5
Tilt and play 2 $3.40 9 Man STT and once again lose everytime with the Best Hand= -$6.80

A really bad day in both SnG's as well as Ring Games - BR $820

Not going to play until tomorrow and grind out some of those $1 Satellites to the 250k.

      
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