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01-10-2010 , 05:09 PM
If anyone sees me playing 10nl before my BR is 385+ and they provide proof I will ship them 5 bucks.
Edit: Have to close the one table I have going now but after that its fair game.
01-10-2010 , 05:17 PM
whats ur sn?
01-10-2010 , 05:22 PM
same as here.

BR-349

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($3.11)
Hero ($10)
UTG ($5.67)
UTG+1 ($6.30)
CO ($11.46)
BTN ($1.19)

Dealt to Hero T Q

UTG raises to $0.15, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.15, fold, Hero calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.47) K K J

Hero checks, UTG bets $0.10, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.10

TURN ($0.67) K K J 9

Hero checks, UTG bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.45, UTG calls $1.15

RIVER ($3.57) K K J 9 A

Hero bets $8.30 (AI), UTG calls $3.97 (AI)

UTG shows K 9
(Pre 56%, Flop 86.3%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows T Q
(Pre 44%, Flop 13.7%, Turn 0.0%)

UTG wins $10.96

I literally expected him to have K9 at this point. I really really like his turn flat too. That was awesome. Ready to give up on poker at the moment. Maybe I only run good at 2nl. I keep saying it's time to take time off but not doing it and think I may have just had enough at this point. I don't want to withdraw but constantly dropping money with the nuts is really kinda sucking. Gonna play this 2.20 6max turbo donkament and then not play until maybe next friday or saturday. Who knows.


Last edited by BlaneH; 01-10-2010 at 05:33 PM.
01-10-2010 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
same as here.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($3.11)
Hero ($10)
UTG ($5.67)
UTG+1 ($6.30)
CO ($11.46)
BTN ($1.19)

Dealt to Hero T Q

UTG raises to $0.15, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.15, fold, Hero calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.47) K K J

Hero checks, UTG bets $0.10, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.10

TURN ($0.67) K K J 9

Hero checks, UTG bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.45, UTG calls $1.15

RIVER ($3.57) K K J 9 A

Hero bets $8.30 (AI), UTG calls $3.97 (AI)

UTG shows K 9
(Pre 56%, Flop 86.3%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows T Q
(Pre 44%, Flop 13.7%, Turn 0.0%)

UTG wins $10.96

I literally expected him to have K9 at this point. I really really like his turn flat too. That was awesome. Ready to give up on poker at the moment. Maybe I only run good at 2nl.
self-exclude now for a short while, i see crazy monkey tilt coming on and you don't want that. 100% srs.
01-10-2010 , 05:39 PM
Yea like I said, I'm playing this donkament and taking a week off. Looking at my EV graph for january just now made me want to strangle things.

-55 for the month...should be up 3 bucks. Yay running like ****. This is EXACTLY the scenario that happened last time I got to 10nl and it led to me just saying eff it and withdrawing.
01-10-2010 , 05:49 PM
$100 in my account finally.
Slowly getting back to my old BR.

Once i get there im going to do strict BRM and make sure that i quit if a fish is running hotter than the sun.
01-10-2010 , 05:57 PM
BlaneH, you are spewing chips. A lot of those hands, you look at the flop and think, I have the nuts without even considering what the villain could be calling or raising you with. A lot of those situations are given up at higher stakes with reads. You continue to spew with 2nd best for stacks. If you see a river, no one is gonna call you with 2nd best. River play is 99% straightforward at those stakes. Someone donks out at you with a set and you shove all in. What are you scared of?

Players like me depend on players like you to stack off with TPTK, Aces, etc. If you play a TAG style, you're the easiest to read. Re-evaluate before you start shoving. Aggression for stacks is not always the best idea.
01-10-2010 , 06:04 PM
I agree I've been spewing the past 2 days but a lot of that is the symptom of how badly I've been running all month. Hence the taking a break. While I have been playing bad it's kinda hard to say its purely me spewing when I know these are winning plays and I'm just losing a lot of big pots. Not to mention the usual set over set type stuff that doesn't show up accurately in your EV graph.

I haven't been stacking off with overpairs/TPTK for the most part either. It's been a lot of people turning boats, hitting straights against my set. All that kinda nonsense where I'm consistently hitting the top of peoples ranges. Almost all the big hands I've posted haven't been against 18/12/1.4 type players either. It's the usual 10nl/5nl fish where they just are hitting it every time.

Last edited by BlaneH; 01-10-2010 at 06:12 PM.
01-10-2010 , 07:05 PM
been 6 tabling 100NL. ever since i dropped down from 12 tables to 6 tables and moved up from 50NL to 100NL, the urge to play has gone down. Probably because I fear 100NL but I believe I belong there someway somehow.
Improved my 3bet %. I was at around 3-4% at 50NL, more like 7-8 at 100NL. Was running at 14% 3bet today. The short stacks got furious at me. Everytime they raise to $2 I just raise to $6 and they instafold. Some of them started tilting and I just kept egging them on.

3 seperate sessions:
4 hands: +4.55
196 hands: +96.00
274 hands: +41.40

Bankroll ~$1,800
01-10-2010 , 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $17.05
MP: $3.75
Hero (CO): $10.00
BTN: $17.65
SB: $10.75
BB: $8.45

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q Q
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.15) T 3 J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.90, UTG raises to $3.40, Hero raises to $9.50 all in, UTG calls $6.10

Turn: ($20.15) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($20.15) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $20.15
UTG shows Jd Tc (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
Hero shows Qh Qc (a pair of Queens)
UTG wins $19.15
(Rake: $1.00)
I don't like the 3B shove, I don't think anything other than maybe AJ or even rarer KJ or ATs, KTs with FD or two pair and sets is calling. I realise the stacks are probably going in anyway with only one PSB left and it gives worse hands a chance to draw out, but you keep them in their range at least and can maybe get away if board gets bad.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (MP): $16.73
CO: $6.40
BTN: $11.68
SB: $6.99
BB: $10.00
UTG: $6.46

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with A A
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.23, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.60) 3 K T (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $16.48 all in, SB calls $6.34 all in

Turn: ($14.08) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($14.08) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $14.08
Hero shows Ad Ah (a pair of Aces)
SB shows 3h 3c (three of a kind, Threes)
SB wins $13.38
(Rake: $0.70)
Was this a mistype or something?


I think it will be interesting when you aren't running horribly bad for you to look back at your HH over this horrible section and see what you think of your own plays.


Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
If anyone sees me playing 10nl before my BR is 385+ and they provide proof I will ship them 5 bucks.
Edit: Have to close the one table I have going now but after that its fair game.
You're on .
01-10-2010 , 08:03 PM
So I played a few orbits of what I thought was LO8 and when I expected to scoop a pot that went to my opponent I realized I was playing limit omaha hi
01-10-2010 , 08:17 PM
Roca, like I said to Boxerz, the past two days I've been playing really spewy and its why I plan on dropping down for the time being. The QQ hand was against a 48 VPIP who was running with a 8.0 aggression factor so while stacking off probably isn't optimal it wasn't as bad as it looked. He was never limping 1010 or JJ UTG so he had the one hand I was worried about and had I thought about the hand for a second I might of found a fold.

The AA hand is terrible and I have no rational for it. It was against a tight reg and there was no reason to be shoving that flop. Like I said, spew. The past 2 days I've been trying to play big bloated pots to recover losses and it's not at all how my play style was up till this point and just overall bad play. I believe the hand was shortly after I hit broadway vs the K9 boat.

I appreciate you guys telling me how bad of a donkey I've been playing like. The past two days have been pretty LOLbad but the days leading up to it I think I was playing pretty good. I think I just hit a wall yesterday where I couldn't stand running so bad anymore and was just giving my money away. I hope to get back to my nice solid TAG game that I was crushing with. I ran away from it when I started running under EV and that's pretty dumb since to be running under EV means I was making the right plays and altering them is pretty stupid.

Overall been a bad start to the new year. A mix of running terribly and then tilting off extra. Hopefully I manage to ship a couple buy-ins at 5nl sometime soon and it won't seem so bad. Hard to recover when you are playing as badly as I was yesterday/parts of today though.
01-10-2010 , 08:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
Roca, like I said to Boxerz, the past two days I've been playing really spewy and its why I plan on dropping down for the time being. The QQ hand was against a 48 VPIP who was running with a 8.0 aggression factor so while stacking off probably isn't optimal it wasn't as bad as it looked. He was never limping 1010 or JJ UTG so he had the one hand I was worried about and had I thought about the hand for a second I might of found a fold.

The AA hand is terrible and I have no rational for it. It was against a tight reg and there was no reason to be shoving that flop. Like I said, spew. The past 2 days I've been trying to play big bloated pots to recover losses and it's not at all how my play style was up till this point and just overall bad play. I believe the hand was shortly after I hit broadway vs the K9 boat.

I appreciate you guys telling me how bad of a donkey I've been playing like. The past two days have been pretty LOLbad but the days leading up to it I think I was playing pretty good. I think I just hit a wall yesterday where I couldn't stand running so bad anymore and was just giving my money away. I hope to get back to my nice solid TAG game that I was crushing with. I ran away from it when I started running under EV and that's pretty dumb since to be running under EV means I was making the right plays and altering them is pretty stupid.

Overall been a bad start to the new year. A mix of running terribly and then tilting off extra. Hopefully I manage to ship a couple buy-ins at 5nl sometime soon and it won't seem so bad. Hard to recover when you are playing as badly as I was yesterday/parts of today though.
Ah right, I misread your reply to Boxerz and thought you thought were still playing well again.

I know the feeling about running so bad that you're giving money away, but mine was only a few hands. I had one session in particular where I started and did everything I thought was right and just kept losing everything. I either didn't get a hand or they had better or drew out or didn't pay me off. Insta quit that session (like 15min session) and didn't play for a while. Like I've said before I only do small volume for the most part so I have no problem just not playing for a few days if I don't feel like it or its going bad. Better than me trying to fight through it and just playing bad.

You will definitely be able to tell me how much of a donkey I am soon I think. I checked out my PTR stats for 10NL (those scatter graphs), its LOLgood due to sick heater and tiny sample size but I can't help but think I'm crashing back to earth soon. I'm dreading first serious downswing. TOUCH WOOD.
01-10-2010 , 08:33 PM
Poker world watch out... the schoolboy is back in action. Break even sessions in the morning, forced to make a few major laydowns, final session i ended up at 52 dollars.

Went for a run to clear the head, came back, ran better, played some great play by just keepin it simple.

Stars Bankroll: 50-->81

for all those people who advised me to start the grind when i asked for advice in the thread on discipline, i gotta say thanks for the advice and part of me wishes i had been doin this for longer instead of donking of money in the micro sngs!
01-10-2010 , 08:41 PM
Current Stake: $3 MTT's
Site: Full Tilt Poker

Plan of Attack
Currently playing $3 90 man MTT's. Have build from 30 -> 77 after 2 sessions.
Graph when I get home.
01-10-2010 , 08:44 PM
Petition to Pokerstars: Please stop my downswing.

Didn't cash in any satellites to the 250k
Ended up 13th in the Sunday Million $1R Satellite (9To > AKo)
And haven't cashed in any SnG's for the last 2 days.
01-10-2010 , 09:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
I'm never folding KJs at 5nl 6max there. Ever. If you are you really need work on your post flop game. The hand (pre river obv) proves why the implied odds are huge. I don't remember read on opponent but I'm guessing if I stacked off on turn he was a fish who I knew was calling with any ace with good kicker/two pair
Honestly, i would definitely not say never. And something thats neglected is the fact that the guys stack was like $2 and change. you should play those hands but youre not getting odds from someone with like 24BB. it has nothing to do with how the hand turned out, you got sucked out on, but that might be a leak youre missing if youre doing that and not looking at the stacks.
01-10-2010 , 09:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
Roca, like I said to Boxerz, the past two days I've been playing really spewy and its why I plan on dropping down for the time being. The QQ hand was against a 48 VPIP who was running with a 8.0 aggression factor so while stacking off probably isn't optimal it wasn't as bad as it looked. He was never limping 1010 or JJ UTG so he had the one hand I was worried about and had I thought about the hand for a second I might of found a fold.

The AA hand is terrible and I have no rational for it. It was against a tight reg and there was no reason to be shoving that flop. Like I said, spew. The past 2 days I've been trying to play big bloated pots to recover losses and it's not at all how my play style was up till this point and just overall bad play. I believe the hand was shortly after I hit broadway vs the K9 boat.

I appreciate you guys telling me how bad of a donkey I've been playing like. The past two days have been pretty LOLbad but the days leading up to it I think I was playing pretty good. I think I just hit a wall yesterday where I couldn't stand running so bad anymore and was just giving my money away. I hope to get back to my nice solid TAG game that I was crushing with. I ran away from it when I started running under EV and that's pretty dumb since to be running under EV means I was making the right plays and altering them is pretty stupid.

Overall been a bad start to the new year. A mix of running terribly and then tilting off extra. Hopefully I manage to ship a couple buy-ins at 5nl sometime soon and it won't seem so bad. Hard to recover when you are playing as badly as I was yesterday/parts of today though.
There is a major flaw in your reasoning here. If he is this agressive why would you want to push out worse hands? Let him keep betting into you with worse hands. You are letting him fold his worse hands and only call when he has you crushed. Against someone like this I think the 3-bet is even worse.

Anyway good luck getting out of your downswing!
01-10-2010 , 09:26 PM
Never may be a bit too strong but I definitely don't think it's a insta-fold like he was talking about.
01-10-2010 , 09:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by axel_nld
got a small question on this hand, don't think it's interesting enough to post a thread on but might get some valuable info out of it from you fellow BR grinders.

villain: 80/5/1 over 25 hands

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $5.00
SB: $3.62
BB: $11.44
UTG: $6.28
MP: $4.91
Hero (CO): $5.70

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 9 Q
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, MP calls $0.15

he limps, i Iso raise him. pretty standard imo, the holding is quite marginal i know but he's calling dominated 9's and Q's imo, plus i have position on him.

Flop: ($0.47) A J J (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

could have CB this board, decided not to, for no real reason actually except for more CB respect later, but this guy does not think so does not matter for this villain.

Turn: ($0.47) Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP calls $0.20

turn a Q, bet 1/2 to get value out of his weak pairs and weaker Q's

River: ($0.87) A (2 players)
MP bets $0.45, Hero folds

now he leads river, this is weird imo. i think he'd lead an Ace on the turn, and small PP's are checking hoping for a cheap showdown. also Q would not do this imo, because if he thinks his Q is good he'd lead turn not c/c imo. good fold?
bet flop plz ... paired boards are great for c-betting
01-10-2010 , 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by unbjames
bet flop plz ... paired boards are great for c-betting
Because its hard for them to have caught a piece (because only two cards there, and two are the same so less hand combos with it in) and if you already had a pair or are beating them its harder to catch up right?
01-10-2010 , 10:07 PM
I generally cbet paired boards against loose passive opponents because they will only show aggression when they've hit so you can easily fold but they can so rarely have caught a piece of the board that they fold often enough to be profitable.
01-10-2010 , 10:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rocaerix
Because its hard for them to have caught a piece (because only two cards there, and two are the same so less hand combos with it in) and if you already had a pair or are beating them its harder to catch up right?
I'm confused by your question, re-phrase it please
01-10-2010 , 10:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rocaerix
Because its hard for them to have caught a piece (because only two cards there, and two are the same so less hand combos with it in) and if you already had a pair or are beating them its harder to catch up right?

People generally don't like to mess around in paired board flops... unless they have trips, they will generally play pretty passive... also you'll get hands like mid pair to call... which at first glance may not seem like a good thing, but it really isn't for several reasons... if you fire a 2nd barrel and they'll fold, thinking you paired the ace and you get a street of value out of it... you have counterfeit draws to smaller pairs and a backdoor straight draw... and there are a lot of cards you can 2nd barrel and easily represent (pretty much any broadway).
01-10-2010 , 10:09 PM
Ha yea I didn't get it either so I just said what I thought about it.

Edit: But W0lf just expressed the same point so go me.

It also doesn't suck when you cbet, they call and you boat up on low paired boards.

      
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