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02-05-2010 , 02:46 PM
Just had a day from hell. Finished a pretty long session which was rather brutal. I started the day flopping a set and they turned straight and I had a feeling it wasn't a good omen. But I carried on grinding, got it in bad a few times, ran into some bigger hands, lost AA vs KK aipf and made a few thin value bets which weren't so good. I think I played too long for me, considering my session are usually <2 hrs and this one was over 5hrs.

I did play with another guy who seemed quite decent, I had to think on a higher level and was adapting my 3 betting/4 betting ranges and even considering shoving with K high against him at times. So it was fun and I enjoyed the challenge even though it was a -ev table to play at.

Bottom line is I can't move up to NL10 for a bit now, going to have to grind my roll back up a bit for NL10, also it kind of ruins my bb/100 . Nothing major, but lost 13 buy-ins today and I decided I had enough for the day after flopping set of 6's on 567 board, turn came 8 and he re-raised me. I didn't want to as I know it's not a good board for my hand, but figured I had some equity and shoved and he flipped over A8 and board never paired FML.

Just looking at my graph I realise how bad it looks. I definitely tilted at certain points, but more of it just felt like I was running bad. Back on the grind Nelow is my day of hell. On the bright side, I've played over 20k hands now.

02-05-2010 , 03:47 PM
Masq--

that happens to everybody eventually. it suuuuuucks so much, but unfortunately it's standard and inevitable. i didn't hit a rough patch like that until i moved up to 10NL, but i wasn't used to losing that badly and i spent a few weeks in a vortex of tilt trying to make up my losses. don't let that happen to you. if you notice that you're tilting away BIs... STOP! it's just not worth it to keep playing. don't let this destroy your confidence either-- you haven't all of a sudden lost your ability to crush this limit. try to put this behind you and move forward with a clear mind. good luck.
02-05-2010 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
Aw that's weak man... gotta keep an eye on that weather and keep the water running, just a trickle.. when it's going to get really cold. Saves soooooo much hassle.
It was brutal, I had to have the water company come at 2:30 am to shut the water off, because it was leaking so hard under neath the house. The funny part is all the water that leaked froze before I went under this morning lol. Then I had to weld the pipe back together, but that didn't take real long. Those propane fumes wreeeeeak!!

I'm ready to get back on the tables and grind it up! Oh and thanks for the thoughts on letting the water run when its cold lol. First time it's happened to me in like 10 years
02-05-2010 , 04:02 PM
You're lucky then.. when I lived with my parents up near-ish to Buffalo.. the pipes froze a few times.... never fun
02-05-2010 , 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masq
Just had a day from hell. Finished a pretty long session which was rather brutal. I started the day flopping a set and they turned straight and I had a feeling it wasn't a good omen. But I carried on grinding, got it in bad a few times, ran into some bigger hands, lost AA vs KK aipf and made a few thin value bets which weren't so good. I think I played too long for me, considering my session are usually <2 hrs and this one was over 5hrs.

I did play with another guy who seemed quite decent, I had to think on a higher level and was adapting my 3 betting/4 betting ranges and even considering shoving with K high against him at times. So it was fun and I enjoyed the challenge even though it was a -ev table to play at.

Bottom line is I can't move up to NL10 for a bit now, going to have to grind my roll back up a bit for NL10, also it kind of ruins my bb/100 . Nothing major, but lost 13 buy-ins today and I decided I had enough for the day after flopping set of 6's on 567 board, turn came 8 and he re-raised me. I didn't want to as I know it's not a good board for my hand, but figured I had some equity and shoved and he flipped over A8 and board never paired FML.

Just looking at my graph I realise how bad it looks. I definitely tilted at certain points, but more of it just felt like I was running bad. Back on the grind Nelow is my day of hell. On the bright side, I've played over 20k hands now.

Dude I went through a similar downswing at the beginning of Jan. and it took a while to come out of it as well. I took some horrible beats at 5NL and jumped to 25NL 6max because of tilt, and ended up losing a lot more there. I found out the best thing to do is just get off, like they've said to do. Tilt messes up a lot of BRs so you have to learn to control it. I think a person who is hot headed and has a temper (like myself) is more likely to go on tilt and spew money away, but learning to deal with it is part of the game. BTW, was that 5NL you lost the money at or 10NL?
02-05-2010 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
You're lucky then.. when I lived with my parents up near-ish to Buffalo.. the pipes froze a few times.... never fun
Ya it sucks, It kind of sucks not having a basement too, because the pipes being under the house they have a greater chance of freezing. This is my first winter in this house so I wasn't used to it, but I'll be aware of it now. It was pretty fun sliding around on the ice under the house lol
02-05-2010 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Erik1337
meh, only cashgame players on here =[ would love to see some micro SNG graphs + storys
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Originally Posted by IamPro
we are blowing brains out with handguns, you cash game players have to so easy <_<
let's see it

[x] finally out of 370 sng breakeven




i prefer this one tho






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Originally Posted by sputum
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02-05-2010 , 04:46 PM
Well, degens never quit. I decided to go back, felt rather calm. Made back a few buy-ins and <10 buy-ins down on the day. I haven't really been in tilt mode, I just played too long and felt frustrated at times. I got a bit lucky in the session, but played ok overall. Here was one of my first hands back. Normally I 4 bet shove, but thought i'd play it differently. Not sure if he folds to shove anyway.


Party Poker $5 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $5.00
Hero (CO): $5.54
BTN: $5.48
SB: $5.86
BB: $4.66
UTG: $3.18

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO with A A
UTG calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.18, BTN raises to $0.64, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.30, BTN calls $1.66

Flop: ($4.70) T J Q (2 players)
Hero bets $3.24 all in, BTN calls $3.18 all in

Turn: ($11.06) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($11.06) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $11.06
Hero shows A A (two pairs, Aces and Queens)
BTN shows J J (a full house, Jacks full of Queens)
Hero wins $0.06
BTN wins $10.51
(Rake: $0.49)
02-05-2010 , 04:57 PM
another session done and another buy-in up in the BR.

Belugaed but ofc i did not give credit. I must trust the theorem more!

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 519447
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $46.85
SB: $25.45
BB: $21.20
UTG: $25.35
Hero (CO): $31.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 9 K Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.60) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.75, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $3.25

River: ($16.60) K (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Final Pot: $26.60
BB shows J T (a straight, Nine to King)
Hero mucks A K
BB wins $25.35
(Rake: $1.25)

Ez game if u have the perfect flop to get value out of

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 519449
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $43.55
BB: $16.90
UTG: $18.50
MP: $24.30
CO: $36.35

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K K
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) A 9 K (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.75, BB calls $1.75, UTG folds

Turn: ($6.60) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB calls $4.50

River: ($15.60) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $17.75 all in, BB calls $9.65 all in

Final Pot: $34.90
Hero shows K K (three of a kind, Kings)
BB shows A J (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $33.20
(Rake: $1.70)

BR: +$26

EDIT: my flop betsizing sucks balls so much, i really need to start paying attention to those....
02-05-2010 , 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sputum
[x] finally out of 370 sng breakeven
LOL at 360 BE stretch, try several thousand

Look at my graph sir
02-05-2010 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
LOL at 360 BE stretch, try several thousand
won't bother to quote it but #1223 has my nice 1700 be. I'd love to post a longer one but I don't know how much worse I can play

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Look at my graph sir
post # if it's in here?
02-05-2010 , 05:19 PM
AA hand is unlucky, but 4bet shoving aces is usually the way I'd play it as well in that spot. Not sure he calls if you shove, but that always depends on who the villain is. Why did utg call .04c? is that .02c/.04c?
02-05-2010 , 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sputum
won't bother to quote it but #1223 has my nice 1700 be. I'd love to post a longer one but I don't know how much worse I can play


post # if it's in here?


Guesstimate my dear Watson


02-05-2010 , 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchererBoy
I think a person who is hot headed and has a temper (like myself) is more likely to go on tilt and spew money away, but learning to deal with it is part of the game. BTW, was that 5NL you lost the money at or 10NL?
This is all 5NL which makes it a bit worse. If it was 10NL I wouldn't be so bothered. You should see some of my graphs from back in the day of 10NL. Annoying thing is I know i'm so much better these days and i'm too good to be tilting it off to donks and playing long sessions.

I was playing with an ipoker NL50 reg who plays HU and was just grinding 5NL 6max for his gf and we were playing back at each other and I was adjusting 3 betting ranges and even considering 4 bet bluffs. It was just a pretty interesting experience and something I look forward to. I have some crazy plays at 5NL and these guys just don't appreciate it. It gets me into trouble, so i'll just have to pretty much ABC it for a bit, then when I move up to where they respect my raises I can get back to playing a more creative way.
02-05-2010 , 06:16 PM
Dear god, that stretch from 11k to 14k-ish must have been absolutely painful.
02-05-2010 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SchererBoy
AA hand is unlucky, but 4bet shoving aces is usually the way I'd play it as well in that spot. Not sure he calls if you shove, but that always depends on who the villain is. Why did utg call .04c? is that .02c/.04c?
I can't do anything else really on that flop and villain obviously had no odds to set mine. Next time i'll probably just opt to shove it pre-flop and if they call i'll get an 80/20 and if they fold, I pick up a small one and don't lose a buy in. It's 0.02/0.04 but everyone buys in for $5, So it's 4NL with 125bb really.
02-05-2010 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
Guesstimate my dear Watson
you're winning but I've still got a shot at beating it another 600 sng at par roi will get me breakeven with my peak

02-05-2010 , 06:32 PM
I just had a really bad session as well. About 50 hands in I lost a stack with set over set (666 <TTT) and then lost another one with KK v. TT this donk called to the river on a QJ6J board then rivered his T. That was pretty tilting, all I could do was sigh. I got a cpl dollars back from some idiot who called my 3bet shove on the flop with J7 on a T7Ar board (I had TT). He only had slightly over $2 infront of him. Then I lost some more back when I flopped two pair and check raised in a multi way pot, the dude called me and turned his second pair. (he had A6 and called my c/r on a 7A9 board, turn 6) that costed me a stack. Ended up losing slightly over $7, but considering the nasty suckouts I'm fine with how I played. It seems like every time I flop 2 pair or a straight I lose to a better two pair or a flush, and it's starting to get old. I have to find a way to have fun again =(

Last edited by SchererBoy; 02-05-2010 at 06:38 PM.
02-05-2010 , 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masq
This is all 5NL which makes it a bit worse. If it was 10NL I wouldn't be so bothered. You should see some of my graphs from back in the day of 10NL. Annoying thing is I know i'm so much better these days and i'm too good to be tilting it off to donks and playing long sessions.

I was playing with an ipoker NL50 reg who plays HU and was just grinding 5NL 6max for his gf and we were playing back at each other and I was adjusting 3 betting ranges and even considering 4 bet bluffs. It was just a pretty interesting experience and something I look forward to. I have some crazy plays at 5NL and these guys just don't appreciate it. It gets me into trouble, so i'll just have to pretty much ABC it for a bit, then when I move up to where they respect my raises I can get back to playing a more creative way.
Ya there's not much respect at 5NL, but you'll find a few regulars who know how to play and know what your raise means. But for the most part your right, there's no point in getting fancy and giving chips to a donk. It's just tilting getting your money in good and coming out a loser time after time. Hopefully things turn for the better!
02-05-2010 , 06:50 PM
Masq, I can relate. It sucks but you have to keep chugging through. I started off my stake by losing 7-buy-ins at 10nl. 2 were huge suck outs but it's still really rough to try and play through downswings like that. The rest was just really bad play and me Cbetting way too much. I'm having a super hard time adapting to playing without a hud but my stats are pretty similar to how I play without one. It's just frustrating to not have a good idea of who I should be stacking off lightly too.
02-05-2010 , 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
Masq, I can relate. It sucks but you have to keep chugging through. I started off my stake by losing 7-buy-ins at 10nl. 2 were huge suck outs but it's still really rough to try and play through downswings like that. The rest was just really bad play and me Cbetting way too much. I'm having a super hard time adapting to playing without a hud but my stats are pretty similar to how I play without one. It's just frustrating to not have a good idea of who I should be stacking off lightly too.
Blane, remember when I told you to try an play a few sessions without a HUD? It would of been great practice for how you have to play now. I benefited more from not having one.

Did you just lose $70 on your new site, since you began your stake?
02-05-2010 , 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sputum
you're winning but I've still got a shot at beating it another 600 sng at par roi will get me breakeven with my peak

Its funny, the graphs look almost the same lol
02-05-2010 , 07:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRUSTcompany9000
Dear god, that stretch from 11k to 14k-ish must have been absolutely painful.
Yes, I almost quit SNGs lol


But that's the nature of these things
02-05-2010 , 07:42 PM
Hard to fold this one. Opponent is 70/40 so I just shipped it in.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($10)
BB ($11.65)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($10)
CO ($42.65)
BTN ($16.95)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, BTN calls $0.60

FLOP ($1.90) 2 6 2

Hero bets $1, BTN raises to $2, Hero raises to $9.10 (AI), BTN calls $7.10

TURN ($20.10) 2 6 2 4

RIVER ($20.10) 2 6 2 4 2

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 85%, Flop 12.5%, Turn 4.5%)

BTN shows 4 2
(Pre 15%, Flop 87.5%, Turn 95.5%)

BTN wins $19.10
02-05-2010 , 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchererBoy
Blane, remember when I told you to try an play a few sessions without a HUD? It would of been great practice for how you have to play now. I benefited more from not having one.

Did you just lose $70 on your new site, since you began your stake?
Yea I wish I had. And yea. It's only 7 buy-ins but over 2k hands it felt terrible. I'm working on getting back on the horse tonight. I'm gonna be snowed in for the next two days so I'll have plenty of grinding time. Wish I knew how to convert cake hands...


Hand#2130012207000220 - Paris (6-max) 12207 -- $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em -- 2010/02/02 - 21:19:19
Seat 4: ntsjoker ($9.85 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: Eblo***5 ($11.26 in chips)
Seat 6: ROB5***6 ($3.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Manh***7 ($5.28 in chips)
Seat 8: xoze***8 ($26.88 in chips)
Seat 9: wate***9 ($10.41 in chips)
Eblo***5: posts small blind $0.05
ROB5***6: posts big blind $0.10
Dealt to ntsjoker [Ks,Ah]
Manh***7: calls $0.10
xoze***8: folds
wate***9: folds
ntsjoker: raises to $0.40
Eblo***5: folds
ROB5***6: calls $0.30
Manh***7: raises to $1.55
ntsjoker: calls $1.15
ROB5***6: folds
*** FLOP *** [Td,8h,As]
Manh***7: bets $3.55
ntsjoker: raises to $7.10
Manh***7: is all in 0.1800
ntsjoker: returns uncalled bet $3.37
Manh***7: shows [Jd Js]
ntsjoker: shows [Ks Ah]
*** TURN *** [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [Kc]
***SHOW DOWN***
Manh***7: wins $10.28 with Straight, Ace high

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That's pretty much how things started for me.

Last edited by BlaneH; 02-05-2010 at 08:05 PM.

      
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