Thats because they have "Implied Odds" regardless of what you bet :P

button is big fish, 80/5/1 over 1k hands. he was the reason I was on the table

woo, immediately after one of my most abysmal coolers ever i just had a +10BI session.

roll --> $250 and now moving up to 10NL!!

my overall 5NL graph:

Yeah, I checked and he turned over two pair. Thought betting was just asking for trouble.

Just finished another 750 hand session. Wasted $5 chasing a FD horribly, told myself I shouldn't be doing that at start of the year... c/c c/c is not how you chase a FD! Then I played the below hand with aces excellently. I don't think I could have messed up the turn worse. I think maybe bet $2 then fold is the only decent amount to bet, then spew about folding. My flop bet size is pretty horrible as well.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $10.85
CO: $10.95
BTN: $10.15
SB: $10.05
Hero (BB): $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A A
1 fold, CO raises to $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, Hero raises to $1.30, CO calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.00) J 9 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, CO calls $1.90

Turn: ($6.80) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO raises to $7.75 all in, Hero calls $2.80 all in

River: ($20.40) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $20.40
CO shows T T (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Hero shows A A (two pair, Aces and Eights)
CO wins $19.40
(Rake: $1.00)

Other than that it was pretty good. [b]+$25[b] leaving me around $275. Was going to comment in this that buying in deep at 5NL has made me comfortable playing 300BB+ deep at tables. Then towards the end of my session I opened pocket fives to $31.50, yay mistype. Luckily no one woke up with aces or kings.

So how did you mistype? Did you mean $1.50? $3.10? I don't see how you mistype an place an extra two numbers in there lol, it has me baffled.

I highlight the numbers after the decimal point and then do 35. I didn't highlight or got wrong side of decimal point or something so it just did all of it .

Oh btw, I've been running about break even over the last 2.5k hands at 5nl 6max. I either start my session nice and end up losing back most of my profit, or I drop down a buy in or two and grind it back up to get even. If I hadn't run into 5 big hands today I would of been up around 7.5 BIs and signing off on a great note.

I had this aggro donk at one of my tables, his stats were 58/37 over 200+ hands and he kept 3betting most of my raises. I opened with QQ (this is when I first noticed he was 3betting me) and he 3bet and another player(BB) and I flat called. The flop was A92 and the BB lead out for 3/4 of the pot so I folded, aggro donk flatted. Turn was a Q(I was pissed off) and the aggro donk stole the pot on the river when he hit a J for top 2 pair. BB had AK. I would of made little over $10 profit there had I called the flop. So do you think I was to nitty to fold there?

Nope - Standard flop fold - Either one of them will have an ace.

*Edit* Don't be results orientated :P

Anyway - 10 Tabling 6 Max 5NL = EZmode with tableninja

@SchererBoy

I call turned or rivered (esp. rivered) two-pairs the donkey nuts ... annoying when you have TPTK/Overpairs, but great when you have better than them, b/c they think their 2pair is the nutzzzz ldo

As for me, I must apologize to those in the thread that are running bad ... cuz I am running disgustingly good (I promise to return all your luckboxes once I reach 25NL)

Example: I have 55, and I open in the CO, shortie in the SB calls ... flop comes AQ6 ... I cbet (then curse, as I then realize I am in a hand with a shortstack) ... shortie pushes what little he has left in the middle. Normally I'd fold deeper (obv), but I'm getting something like 30 to 1, so I call ... shortie flips over .... 44!

And I hit a 5 on the turn just to rub it in!

$423 --> $435

I didn't turn or river two pair, what are you talking about? I don't think you read it, I asked if it was a good fold on the flop, holding QQ when the guy to my left 3bet pre and me & the BB also call, an the flop comes A92. I guess it was good fold, I was beat at that point. But I can't wait to play with that guy again I just want him on my right next time =)

Check behind river.
But on the flop I don't think you should cbet as the board is way too drawy.

Yeah this isn't they type of board I c/bet without having hit it. But I saw the OESD so bet. Didn't think too hard that one of the OESD made the board four to a straight so I realistically had a low gutshot at best for getting paid off purposes.

10nl so far this month

Dont kno if the hand would play any different but i dont like your bet sizing here, PF, wants to be atleast $1.80 with the sb calling co's raise. and closer to the pot on the flop its a draw heavy board, say $2.40.

Sick heater kepp up the good work

I fail incredibly hard at raising / betting PF with AA / KK. I always read "raise more pre" in the strat forum with AA/KK, but that seems to go against always raising the same amount to disguise your hand strength.

I also never know how much to 3B either. Are 3Bs generally between 3-4x initial raise +1x/caller or in that region. I always end up doing slightly over 3x because I don't want to come off as too strong and never get a caller. I do find that quite funny because I'm very pro playing hands fast, even if it means winning a small pot as opposed to letting them draw out. NOTE TO SELF: 3B bigger.

I don't know what I was on with my flop bet sizing. I think I need to learn to shove more money in fast and not worry about turning hand face up in situations like this.

cheers


I would 3bet the same amount there if I had AQ+ TT+ JTs etc.


I 3bet 3.5x the original raiser. so make it $1 for them to call ($1.4 to a 40c raise). Also I think that if they want to call your 3bet pf it doesnt matter if u make it $1, $1.2, $1.4 there going to call a majority of the time. I just like to get more value.


yea thats right, at 10nl 95% of oponents are not even thinking about your cards.

I generally 3bet always to 1.40 or a 1.50 with anything I'm 3betting with. So long as you keep it consistent even if they are a thinking player (they aren't) they shouldn't be able to put you on JUST AA or KK.

Ninja edit after seeing hand: You need to 3bet bigger with a caller in between. I second the 1.80 and I might even up it to 1.90/2. Flop bet sizing isn't terrible if you're planning on folding to a 3bet since JJ and PP are a huge part of his calling range. But it does pretty much scream of "I have an overpair and hate this flop". Hand plays itself out although I'm probably folding to the turn 3bet without the A of diamonds.

I left <$3 behind and had already committed $7, isn't that fairly pot committed? Although at that point I wasn't really thinking, more in shock at how badly the whole hand had turned out.

Yea I realize you're getting odds to call but what hand are you beating? KK? QQ? Isn't he most likely getting these hands in pre? The worst card in the deck just peeled off and he's raising. I realize in the micros forum I'd prob be torn apart for saying this but you are almost always just giving away money by making that call. You have one pair and no draw.

I'm not saying it's a bad call at all since you're fundamentally right in saying it's a call but that board is just SO terrible for your hand that I can't even imagine having 10% equity when calling facing that raise on that board.

Edit: Just stoved it and according to stove I'm an idiot and AA has close to 50% equity on the board against the top 4% of his range but I still think when he raises we're almost always beat. Gonna play around with his range a bit more though cause I don't think that's correct in reality.

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2,068 games 0.005 secs 413,600 games/sec

Board: Jd 9d 7s 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.347% 47.44% 01.91% 981 39.50 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 50.653% 48.74% 01.91% 1008 39.50 { QQ-88, ATs+, KQs, QJs, AQo+ }

This still seems insane to me. How does AA win close to half against that range?

Yeah I know what you mean and that I am essentially ALWAYS beat. I seem to have a horrible problem of going "well looks like I've lost and have put a lot in the pot, may as well put it all in the pot". I should really learn to fold when I'm beat just to safe that small amount.

Can I see that range?

EDIT: Because you haven't narrowed the KQs to just KdQd.

EDIT2: Its because of the combinations of QQ

Board: Jd 9d 7s 8d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 05.615% 02.41% 03.21% 18 24.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 94.385% 91.18% 03.21% 682 24.00 { JJ-88, AdTd, KdQd, QdJd }

Board: Jd 9d 7s 8d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.308% 21.94% 02.37% 222 24.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 75.692% 73.32% 02.37% 742 24.00 { QQ-88, AdTd, KdQd, QdJd }

Board: Jd 9d 7s 8d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 15.000% 12.27% 02.73% 108 24.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 85.000% 82.27% 02.73% 724 24.00 { QcQd, QdQh, QdQs, JJ-88, AdTd, KdQd, QdJd }

Yea I realized that. I think getting raised on that board is absolutely a fold.

imo, the range you assigned is faulty.. ATs+ implies that a hand like AsQs is in his range.... or AsKs... or that AQo and AKo are in the range, which I don't think is typical for someone shoving that turn. Same thing with the KQs, a hand like KhQh probably isn't stacking off there. I would say that your AQo+ should include AJ.

Yea I just spit out what I figured a 3bet flatting range was real quick. It wasn't exactly good stoving tbh

I thought you said he did, not u