Globally nearly all countries were in cahoots to under report their deaths after setting up entire tracking systems to track those deaths.

Sounds solid and highly believable.

And not even peer reviewed. Is this paper worth wasting our time on to do the writer's job for them?

It's because he went to an anti-lock down protest. He is a harm to his children because he went to an anti-lock down protest. Do you understand how stupid you sound? The judge thinks his children will have a higher chance of being exposed to covid even thou nothing happens to children and the risk factors are even lower than adults.

He is losing access to his children because his views on covid differ from the state.

Write a few posts on FB saying you don't wear a mask and now you're a danger to your kid JUST LMAO.

Losing custody of his kids is not losing your kids? ROFL

How about you post on your main account Mr. Moderator or you can't because you are scared you can't have discourse with people when you can't ban them?

just lol@u always keeping tabs on this section while making 50 posts a day on the poli side

as usual lvr got some wack conspiracy theory. Team Q? Notice you didn't address my correct assessment of your ideology.

So about reading that article... Now is when you admit you didn't read it.

I post in 2 threads this one and the bitcoin one. TS perpetual dumb got me to sign up and he hasnt disappointed. You should see his performance in the BTC thread its rather amazing seeing someone lose touch with reality over thousands of posts.

Yeh sure lol same posting style and everything

signing up to a poker site in 2020 and only posting in two threads on the BFI section xD only following one poster around you are definitely not a mod ROFL

Who do you think I am?

We could have mods confirm you're an idiot if you're like?

must be weird seeing monsters around every corner. Guess that 24/7 news cycle of :IMMIGRANT CONVOYS AT THE BORDER GOING TO RUIN AMERICA!!! creates some type of brain rot.

dw lol it's ok even a donkey can use vpn these days

I'll let your mental illness slide it's funnier that way

guessing this is game over for astrazeneca?

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...11-p57a03.html

true or not this is a very bad look

even if proven false it's probably too late for them

He didn't lose custody of his kids

I generally agree with and understand your broader point, but you're exaggerating and mischaracterizing exactly what happened here, and what is actually going on

This guy didn't just make a post on FB or protest peacefully somewhere. He literally thinks covid is a hoax. That's kind of a problem in terms of caring for a child. While we can agree the risk to a child is minimal or at least somewhat exaggerated by many, as a matter of law, there is nothing all that controversial in what was mentioned in the article

I personally have not actively sought vaccination as early as possible because 1) I can afford not to and 2) for reasons like this article brings to light. Let everyone else be guinea pigs for a month or two. More info is better, especially knowing these vaccines were rushed rather than prudently developed in a more typical fashion

You might want to read it. Chances are AZN is still safe and will return. Good chance it wouldn't even have been pulled without Pfizer/BionTech/Moderna/J&J vaccines already on the verge of becoming widely available.

Yeah. I'm very surprised countries actually suspended vaccinations because of a handful of thromboses. From the article:

"The European Union’s drug regulator, the European Medicines Agency (EMA), said on Wednesday there was no evidence so far linking AstraZeneca to the two cases in Austria.

It said the number of thromboembolic events – marked by the formation of blood clots – in people who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine is no higher than that seen in the general population, with 22 cases of such events being reported among the 3 million people who have received it as of March 9."

How is it surprising? 10k deaths with no accountability>1 death with it.

There's literally zero evidence that the vaccine had anything to do with cases of thrombosis. Some people who had the vaccine later had blood clotting illnesses but not at a higher rate than the general population and with no known causal link to the vaccine. A few countries are choosing to be cautious to an extreme degree but if there weren't alternatives it wouldn't even be a consideration for any country to stop administering it. To think that this is somehow "game over" for the AstraZeneca vaccine is nonsensical.

I didn't say if it's safe or not. Just from an options perspective this is really bad. In situations like this the facts rarely ever matter because by the time the truth comes to light it is already too late nor people really care.

Does it really matter if there is evidence or not thou? This is all political/business.

If you saw multiple countries people out for two weeks, what would you think? There are other options available so you might want to skip it as a country. You don't want to be the only person giving out the virus that all other countries put a pause on.

It is highly precautionary which as you say only begins to makes sense where there's alternatives or in Thailand where they dont have a crises.

It interesting to contrast the number of excess deaths caused by covid with the, so far, lack of excess deaths caused by the vaccine. It's a common feature of humans to worry massively more about the deaths caused by doing something than the deaths resulting from doing nothing.

I agree with you, you can't say better.

If indeed that does play out as you suggest (which i believe it could) that then equals a boon for the second/third world who are wayyyyyy down the list on receiving any vaccine.

The simply answer then becomes to have AZ ramp up to maximum capacity and service that larger percent of the populace, who are a risk, regardless, to prolong this pandemic, if they are not vaccinate.

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cuepee, i'd be able to take your posting much more seriously if you didn't use that gif once per week

That's who he pretends he is

Every time I see that gif I'm expecting to see some dinosaurs. Very disappointed.
Is that software tied in with the contact tracing or it's a different thing altogether?

watched the video, it's just a concept at the moment

literally anyone with a smartphone in china has an app called wechat - and when I say literally everyone i mean that

there are qr codes outside areas like shopping malls where you scan it as you enter and just show your flash your phone to the security guard's general direction and just walk in

these are only for contact tracing, this way if i got covid they could see where i've been and send notifications to anyone else who'd been where i've been to self quarantine and get a test right away - since they have it 100% under control this has literally never happened

back around, I want to say april maybe? i did some traveling and for that needed to get a test in order to be allowed on a plane, my results were just a piece of paper, nobody was confirming it or entering into any database or anything but there's no way i would have been allowed on that plane had i not had that piece of paper - this was not linked to the wechat tracing system at all

right now the majority of hotels are not allowed to take on foreign guests, this isn't really an issue because whitey all gone anyway but it is a pain in the ass, fortunately the booking apps adapted quickly and there's now a filter i can select to find a place to stay - apparently this is to simply make it easier to manage since vast majority of new cases are brought in from abroad - the last breakout in beijing was when some canadians brought it in with them - passed the border screening and then gave it to the cleaning staff, but due to the contact tracing those outbreaks stay at <200 people and then are snuffed out

girlfriend got vaccinated as her brother's company got every employee and everyone in their immediate family vacced - she has a piece of paper that says it happened but she still wears masks and such, which the vaccinated will continue to do just because as we see back home, it's a slippery slope that puts a lot of people in uneasy and contentious situations when some wear masks and others don't - what i mean to say is the vaccine doesn't give any special rights or privilidges nor does it change the behavior of those who've gotten it - it's just easier to wear the mask then constantly explain "but I've been vaccinated" I imagine as the vaccine is more widely distributed we'll begin to see no more mask wearing

leaving beijing and there's no mask wearing at all, you just see people carry them around because occasionally a building will refuse entrance to anyone not wearing one - for example, you can't ride public transit without one

masks never bugged me, but i gotta say it is super refreshing being outside of Beijing and only like 10% of the people are wearing them

life here totally normal other than wearing masks when in public

as far as the economy, you may recall that i previously mentioned entire commercial neighborhoods went out of business during the pandemic, while much of it has since rebounded, capacity at places is maybe 70% of what it was pre pandemic and there's still a lot of empty store fronts - the main difference is it pretty much wiped out all the mom and pop businesses and the chains (think 7-11 and olive garden type businesses) have just exploded filling up the slack - having said that, there's still a ton of eerily empty ghost towns - for example, the gym i go to is situated in a really ritzy community that was all high end apartments with nice bars and restaurants on the ground floor and places like my gym on the basement floor, it's now totally deserted, of the 30+ businesses there, my gym is the only one that's open, I need to walk through this ghost town every day and it feels post apocalyptic - but on the plus side, that membership which would have normally been about 2k each for the year we were able to get for $800 for both of us because they are desperate (yes i know, Beijing prices... insane, the next cheapest gym in our neighborhood - just a small studio gym was $150 a month lol)

china implementing software that states they've been vaccinated would be absurdly easy to do but i don't think they will because with the economy in shambles they're going to want to encourage everyone to travel and spend domestically - don't know if it's been subsidized or not but i'm able to fly anywhere for as little at $50 and always less than $150 and stay hotels normally in the $300+ range for like $35 so travel now is very cheap

i don't see why anyone from china would want to go on vacation to a country still being ravaged by covid when they can live a pre covid life on the beach in Hainan instead

thanks that post is very informative and appreciated