Who started this thread anyway?
Cuepee, how about you go back to the beginning
of the thread, read it and then continue your argument.
The amount of value TS has brought to this thread and
forum, whether his advice is good or not, cannot be discounted.
Your arguments are readily available all over the net.
I'm not a trump supporter either. Not that that makes my
point any more valid, one way or another.

A lot of posters would disagree with this btw. It can, and has been argued that a majority of what TS contributes has negative value.

Also, its hard to take anything he says seriously because hes so disingenious and is the king of gas lighting.

Leave and come back in 2 years, he'll be arguing with somebody new. One thing that remains constant in this forum, is that almost every thread is TS having drama with someone. (usually multiple people)

The constant disfunction is him.

(also agree Cupee needs to post like 75% less and or take it somewhere else though)

I often don't agree with him but he can think critically and express himself intelligently. Is he perhaps blind to some of his own biases and prejudices?
who isn't?
Does he feed the fire a bit too much with different posters, sure.
I think it's worth it.

I've been lurking here since 2003 and had an account until the forum got hacked or whatever in 2007 or whenever it was. So yeah i hope he or someone is still arguing here in a few years

This whole page is a big TL;DR

Thanks for making it even worse


YW to the ones who will say that to me

Probably because of the following:

1. He is a very smart person.
2. He is willing to say anything if he believes it is true.
3. He has a very specific worldview.
4. He has become overly contrarian in defending Trump.
5. He seems to love winning intellectual boxing matches.

He's right most of the time. Well, at least well-reasoned most of the time.

I would agree he takes it too far on occasion. He engages with left wing trolls too often which is why he has so many arguments. He is exactly the kind of person who triggers them.

He should realize those arguments are beneath him.

What you and Cuepee are choosing to ignore is that everyone here thinks you’re ******ed — including people who strongly disagree with TS about many things. You’re totally full of ****.

Challenge: post something that is informative, or useful, in this thread, and is based on facts/data/research rather than opinion/ideology/broad political commentary.

The last time Max Cut tried to post something about Corona he said the experts "nailed it every step".

Cuepee decided to go to bat for that point and both of them got destroyed.

It takes a certain level of oddity to post something like that, get wrecked completely in an argument, pretend it never happened, and walk around thinking you know it all.

I have blocked these guys because all they do is derail the thread. All the poltards infecting this thread should go to the OOT Coronavirus thread. Its full of gloom and doom Trump bashers and they would be welcomed and be right at home instead of trying to discuss facts with adults.

Truthfully I don't think the OOT mods would put up with posters like Max and Cuppe very long. They definitely should be quarantined to politics.

Have you read that OOT thread? They would be right at home with the mods cheering them on But yeah, these guys are typical politard posters and I refuse to go anywhere near that forum.

Trying to get the thread back on track: there was a interesting article in Science about challenge trials. There is an organization called 1daysooner that has tried to find volunteers for challenge trials and has apparently found over 36000 of the same. So there seems to be no shortage of volunteers; the question is whether the FDA will permit challenge trials.

I don't know enough about challenge trials to know if they require a control group, but if they do I can well understand the ethical problems associated with one. From a purely utilitarian perspective, challenge trials seem quite reasonable, but utilitarianism may well not be the best guide here.

Also: Cuepee delenda est ITT.

Should I be thanking you for this and your other informative or useful posts directed at me that are based on facts/data/research rather than opinion/ideology/broad political commentary, as well as those of many other posters in this thread?

Challenge: EAD

I do love it.

Toothsayer can proclaim for all to see "I do not politard this thread. It is you' and no one calls him on it. No one say 'hey man, own up to your part'.

Even as I bury him in his own politard stuff from weeks or months prior to me joining this thread, NOPE, it is me. He should get zero blame.

Great that you don't care but many on this forum do care. But it is CLEAR and SELECTIVE what they care about. And it is NOT politarding this thread, which TS has made, by design a politard filled thread. What they DO care about is having to read replies which refute what he says and shine a light on Trumps horrendous handling of this virus.


"NO MAKE IT STOP NOW. All was good prior when it was just Dem blame. that is just honest fact and not politarding. But the Trump blame. That is unfair. MODS PLEASE MAKE THEM STOP."

The above is the indisputable FACT of this thread.

Even as Toothsayer now proclaims nothing I quoted above is politarding no one calls him to say 'c'mon man. That is obviously political. Own your part' and that is SOLELY because he is on the partisan side they support. He feeds them confirmation bias and they cannot or do not want to see that and those who highlight it draw their ire.

As you cry MODS, MODS please help protect our safe space I will just let this reply stand.



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Sure if others want me to do that I can.

Most of the quotes I posted above from TS where from weeks if not months before i joined the thread. He was politarding with his 'Trump brilliant" and "Dems Bad" stuff long before my first post.

If you are asking me to start combing thru from the beginning and bump and reply to those posts I am happy to.

But it will be a lot of bumped posts as it took only minutes for me to grab all those above as he does it so often.

And i have no issue with his data driven posts that are not crafted towards supporting 'Trump brilliant, Dems bad'. To say if I have no issue with those I should not then call out his very deliberate posts crafted to say 'Trump brilliant, Dems bad' when it pretty clear that is his over arching goal is spin all the prior data to that conclusion is just nonsense.


And BTW i noticed in the early parts of this thread the poster 'Shuffle' called out the TS for some of his more blatant politarding. He too got piled on and told not to 'politard the thread' and he reconsidered and backed off. That left the TS to keep politarding without being challenged and he did. And none of the people who called out Shuffles called out the TS.

Safe Space, protected and maintained!!

When I was first engaged with the cry of 'don't politard the thread' I actually decided I would stop. i posted some pure economic (GDP ) posts and immediately, IMMEDIATELY, the TS and another poster started to taunt me for not replying to a potlitard post he had made claiming it was proof i had no reply and they were right.

When i did then reply, I got called out, again by others, and TS did not, despite daring and challenging me to post a politard reply.


So that is why I do not and will not care about the tears. Merge this thread the one in the Politics forum as that is where it belongs. Do not PRETEND it is not a politard thread as TS has never allowed it to be anything but.

That is the proper Mod role here as there is no denying the TS is the one forcing this. You guys only have one counter which is 'if you guys do not reply to the TS poltarding, it will not be politarded.' That is just stupid.

Haha, imagine the idiocy it takes to say the above while IGNORING all this is what the person being argued against is saying and he is claiming both BEFORE and even AFTER this was posted he does not politard the thread...





it takes a special kind of stupid to make the argument you do here. Oh you got me with that one example which you are not even presenting in context, when I can post all the above in full context.

Imagine being so biased that you can view the above quotes by the TS, and even if you ignore all the 'anyone but Trump is at fault' that infuses his entire premise, and all the 'correlation equals causation' fallacious arguments TS makes as he tries to draw the line that Dems being the ones getting most sick = Dems and not Trump being to blame, and still call out others and not the TS for politarding this thread.

Good god, the blinders that people put on when wanting confirmation bias material to be spoon fed them.

The TS is shouting DEMS, DEMS, DEMS and EXPERTS, EXPERTS, EXPERTS are to blame while Trump has been "excellent" and 'is a victim of circumstances beyond his control'.

FLOL!


yes, yes, if we could only get rid of the guys who reply to TS politarding of the thread, and force them to only post in the Politics this thread would have no politarding in it.

Well outside the constant stream from the TS that is. But we like what he is saying so that is the acceptable potliarding.

Good grief. I had to unsub from this thread cuz even with Cuepee (and others) on ignore it was unreadable. Good to see nothing has changed.

I'm pretty sure there would be zero tolerance for the type of manifestos posted here. From either side. This thread is now unreadable.

Well maybe? I have had them blocked for over a week but the OOT thread is basically an Orange Man Bad! cheerleading section.

As opposed to your thoughtful, important 'I just don't get testing? Why would you ever get tested?' contributions.

Orange man isnt bad? Explain.

I said I don't understand why the public in general should get tested and I still don't. Front line workers whether it be health care of walmart checkers then sure. People whose work forces them into personal interactions then sure. But why should people working from home and following guidelines need to be tested?

Testing I believe is overblown. I would like to see a reliable antibody test though because I think lots of people already had covid and didn't even know it.

The reason testing is important is because it has a causative impact on lowering the reproduction of the virus. If you can get results within 24 - 48 hours, you can engage in widespread contact tracing, which will inherently lowering the reproduction of the virus. Every little step, weather it be testing, masks, eating outdoors at restaurants, all lower the reproduction of the virus. The objective is to use all strategic resources to lower the r naught. Each strategic method may not have a significant impact on their own, but when you combine all of these strategic methods into one, you get drastic decreases in the reproduction of the virus, and this is why quick efficient testing is important, and other countries have already proven this.