http://www.smh.com.au/technology/tec...418-1dkkr.html

That is not correct.

Yes it is for legit companies.

The reason that Credit Cards STILL go through are the UNCODED processors hired by these Poker & Gaming Sites to CIRCUMVENT the STANDARD GAMING RELATED CODES THAT WOULD REJECT THE PAYMENT from a Legit Coded Processor.

You either don't work within the Industry and/or have no clue about how the Industry goes about the processing of Credit Cards.

That's also why Third Party e-Wallets are widely used within the Online Poker / Betting Industry.

To make it easier to deposit using Credit Cards via Third Party e-Wallets in case the Transactions Decline.

The Decline rates in the US & Canada due to Gaming related Codes have traditionally been high which impacts the bottom line, thus other payment options.

So as previously stated to you on your snot nosed picking of my Grammar, Go F**** Yourself

ALSO, PLEASE, EVERYONE QUIT ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT PHILOSOPHY, CAPITALISM, POLITICS. QUIT USING THIS THREAD FOR COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW THE US GOVERNMENT SUCKS.

NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO HELP......THEY ONLY TAKE AWAY FROM THE REAL MESSAGE, WHICH IS THAT WE SHOULD ALL UNITE AND USE THIS THREAD TO GET EVERYONE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE ACTION PLAN!

IF I HAVE TO I WILL POST THIS OVER AND OVER (AND I ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME) UNTIL IT STARTS CLICKING WITH PEOPLE.......QUIT BICKERING AMONGST YOURSELVES, UNITE AND TAKE ACTION STARTING TOMORROW!

We are experiencing some cyclical unemployment in the U.S. afaik.

Damn Right!!!

What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom?
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice?

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had?
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad?

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty ****in' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom?
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little *****
'Cause the only reason that you're here
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a hefty ****in' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five

whens the court date? is there a chance they ever open again and if so when?

i think there should be an exception for complaining about the government itt.

but philosophy, capitalism, politics, not so much.

LET'S UNITE WOOHOO! if everyone on 2+2 gave 10 bucks, the community could hire a pretty good lobbying firm to represent it in washingtonia

I think players will get their money sooner or later. The Feds are after the companies, not the players BUT the players w/ very large balances are in for it, imo. I think they are in for the 'audit extraordinaire'! I hope they paid their taxes.

Not sure if this has been posted yet
The guy vouches for a company he doesn't even have a piece in.

durrrr and jman are the stone cold nuts

OK, IF YOU SAY SO!

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

High economic freedom is correlated with high GDP per capita. I've had this discussion numerous times with wanna be socialists/communists teenagers. You can pick up this discussion on a different forum.

I'll gladly donate 10 ^

Your intemperate and rude posts still don't make you right. I have used a major bank credit card for PS several times recently and have previously used it on other sites. (I keep that card exclusively for poker transactions.) The bank is aware that these funds are going to and from poker sites. How do I know? Because they called and asked me; convinced of my credit-worthiness, they okayed my continued use.

I don't care about the Full Tilt and Pokerstars lawsuit, it is beyond our control except for the fact that we need to demand assurance from DOJ and our representatives that we will get our money back, as we had no idea these were the measures that the processors were taking. Other than that, our main motive is simple.

WE WANT CLEAR AND SIMPLE LEGISLATION BY OUR REPRESENTATIVES MAKING ONLINE POKER CLEARLY LEGAL. MOST INTELLIGENT LEGAL MINDS CLAIMED IT ALREADY WAS, AND FTP AND STARS SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO RESORT TO THIS.

WE CAN ONLY ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THAT WHICH WE HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE. WE CAN MAKE A LAW GET PASSED IF WE ALL SPEAK UP....RIGHT NOW THEREFORE OUR OBJECTIVE IS SIMPLE, FOLLOW THE ACTION PLAN.

SERIOUSLY QUOTE IT EVERY PAGE.....TAKE THE BICKERING TO THE POLITICS OR PHILOSOPHY THREAD...... QUOTE AND PUT +1 AFTER IT IF YOU ARE ON BOARD WITH THE ACTION PLAN, AND MAKE SURE SOMEONE IS HERE TO KEEP IT FLOWING...I WILL BE W/O MY COMPUTER FOR NEXT 24 HOURS, BUT HAVE ALREADY COPIED THE NUMBERS TO THE REPRESENTATIVES IN MY PHONE AND WILL CALL VIRTUALLY ALL DAY TOMORROW.


WHO IS WITH ME?, TIME TO LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD!

If you don't have anything of any use just go eat f ****. I don't know what the f going on right now because of so many different ideas... I guess I have to just let the govenment control me and uninstall all my poker apps. GG

gz ftp really got reamed with no americans. sunday night there's less than 30,000 people online.

You should look into that link some more. Many of the Heritage Foundation's 'freest' countries have very high tax rates, very high government spending and levels of intervention in their economies, massive public sector workforces and welfare states. It also says very little about social and economic inequalities (since GDP per capita is an average) and social mobility. So it's really not an argument for or against capitalism at all.

i think thats also because lots of non americans cant log in either and don't know about the .co.uk change.

PStars uses UNCODED Processors as in the Case of the Aussie who ripped them & FT for $100 Mill++.

***READ BELOW***

What the F*** are you talking about a Credit Check? for using a Card for Poker?

Did you go over your limit somehow? That's all I can think of that triggered a Call and/or Credit Check.

I was talking about the Gaming Industry as a whole NOT only You.

Only a ****** would attribute something that only happened to them as something that than somehow must apply to everyone. FFS Get it?

Again Go F**** Yourself you F***ing nit picking DONK.




*** Source...www.calvinayre.com

*** Online poker indicted by Intabill, ineptitude and ill-advised court cases ***

Steven Stradbrooke
April 16, 2011
2 Comments and 16 Reactions
Okay, just for fun, here’s a reminder of Full Tilt’s zero tolerance policy for fraud.

The indictment unsealed on Black Friday bore case number 10-CR-336, which identifies it as having been filed last year. TalkLeft does a nice job tracing it back to the April 2010 arrest of payment processing wonderboy Daniel Tzvetkoff, whose company Intabill spectacularly imploded in 2009, allegedly cheating poker companies like Full Tilt, PokerStars and Absolute Poker/Ultimate Bet — all companies named in Friday’s indictments — out of millions. TalkLeft go on to trace Tzvetkoff’s arrest to the arrest of Intabill’s former US representative Andrew Thornhill in December 2009. (A few more twists will undoubtedly lead us to the arrest of Kevin Bacon.)

Although not listed as a defendant on the Black Friday indictment, Thornhill’s name appears alongside that of defendant Chad Elie. Elie, who was arrested Friday in Las Vegas, is yet another former Intabill associate. In 2009, Elie, Thornhill and someone identified only as ‘Elie’s Partner’ began a ‘transparent processing’ relationship with Utah’s SunFirst Bank on behalf of the indicted poker companies. (SunFirst vice-chairman/defendant John Campos was also arrested on Friday.) The identity of ‘Elie’s Partner’ isn’t known, but a clue might be found in a recently unsealed federal lawsuit Elie filed against SunFirst and a prominent Utah businessman named Jeremy Johnson.

Elie’s suit against Johnson (plus nine other individuals, 10 corporations and 51 shell companies) alleged that Johnson used his “trusted relationship” with SunFirst to convince the bank to do business with Elie’s payment processing services. In return, Elie and Johnson were to share the profits 50/50, but instead, Elie claims Johnson blew the money on things like an airplane, real estate and gold. (You know, the necessities.) Oh yeah, Johnson also personally lost $1.536m on Full Tilt between April and October 2010.

Just to make things interesting, Johnson was already facing a federal lawsuit for allegedly bilking consumers out of $275m via fraudulent over-billing for subscription services. Yet Johnson has not been charged in connection with the poker indictments, despite admitting in court documents that his companies had merchant account arrangements with Full Tilt and other poker outfits, and that he’d used some of the poker companies’ funds (with their permission) for investments in oil drilling ventures. Because, you know, his obvious skill at the poker table had convinced these companies that he knew a good bet when he saw one.

Anyway, back to Elie. Convinced he’d been cheated, Elie filed his $20m lawsuit against Johnson in federal court in Dec. 2010. So let’s see if we have this straight… Elie, who well knew he was up to something the DoJ frowned upon, decided to file a lawsuit that essentially invited the feds to take a closer look at his financial dealings. In March, Elie dropped the suit without explanation, presumably because “D’oh!” is not a proper legal term.

Which brings us back to Tzvetkoff. Following Intabill’s 2009 collapse, Full Tilt’s parent outfit Kolyma Corporation filed civil charges against Tzvetkoff, but all that lawsuit really accomplished was to attract a lot of media attention to the sums being generated by the online poker industry. Tzvetkoff’s recent Courier Mail profile suggested his April 2010 arrest in Las Vegas came as the result of a tipoff from Full Tilt, whose execs were presumably frustrated when their court case failed to deliver the desired results. In turn, Tzvetkoff’s August 2010 release from prison was seen as a payoff for his willingness to dish the dirt on former clients, like Full Tilt. And round we go…

Honestly, if there’s a moral to this story, it’s that if you truly believe law enforcement is dying to stretch your neck, it’s probably best not to volunteer to put your head in the noose by filing a purely symbolic lawsuit that has little or no chance of succeeding. You also might want to take a pass on worshipping at the feet of the next ‘wonderboy’ that comes along.

Views and opinions expressed are those of the Author and do not necessarily reflect those of CalvinAyre.com

If they were greedy, they would have invited all of the sites to set up on US soil 5 years ago and taxed the snot out of them instead of passing UIGEA. But they didn't do that, because the US government is big, clumsy, slow and dumb.

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can we please ban everyone that registered on 2+2 in April 2011? too much downs syndrome

They give each country a score of economic freedom, which broken down into 10 categories: business freedom, trade freedom, fiscal freedom etc. Their methodology of scoring is explained in FAQ.

I use economic freedom instead of "capitalism" as it's very concrete what I'm talking about. From experience, discussions end up going, "that's capitalism" "that's not capitalism" "that's capitalism" etc.

We need some way of assessing whether economic freedom is good or not, and I chose GDP per capita to evaluate that. And social inequality is a social issue, not an economic one.

clown you're still here?

ps. you're country (and values) are a joke, sorry.