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04-17-2011 , 09:56 PM
i find it funny that prob 5k of these posts are people who have <25 posts on 2p2
04-17-2011 , 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dewayne
I know this is hard to swallow now. But i think this could be a good thing for online poker in the future. This is just a bump in the road on the way to Online poker to be legal and regulated in the USA.

there is too much money at stake . It is in the governments best interest to regulate online poker and tax it.

This event just brings to light the absurdity of UIGEA . And the reason it needs to be repealed . Although not technically entrapment . It had all the makings of a setup. The government had to know that by passing this law the poker rooms would find a way for the players to fund their poker accounts. And the way they did it was illegal .Now they have them in a vice. And they will get their pound of flesh.

After the carnage smarter heads will prevail . and see that regulation is the best way to go.

Just like Prohibition (of Alcohol) in the 30's than the Legalization & Regulation Today.

The Same will happen for Online Poker / Betting.

In the mean time there will be Al Capone style prosecutions for those who jump Legalization for quick $,

You can argue it's Legal & harmless, the Prosecutors will Prosecute,

You can blame either this President or the last or even the Tooth Fairy, Prosecutors will Prosecute,

You can say whatever you like, DOJ & Prosecutors will Prosecute, until Online Poker is Legalized.
04-17-2011 , 10:02 PM
My buddy just called me from vacation to let me know he has over 20k on Players Only. I was just wondering if anyone has info on this site and the Merge network. Are accounts still accessible on there?
04-17-2011 , 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve0
My buddy just called me from vacation to let me know he has over 20k on Players Only. I was just wondering if anyone has info on this site and the Merge network. Are accounts still accessible on there?
They are part of sportsbook.com, one of the biggest Sports Betting Companies Offshore in Costa Rica.

Your buddy's 20K should be fine there for now, but again it is Offshore & they can do whatever they want in Costa Rica with your or your buddy's $$$$$.
04-17-2011 , 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck11
POST THE LINK TO THE NEWSPAPER/ARTICLE PLS
Found most of the article on the website of the newspaper I was talking about.

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FORMER Queensland internet king is believed to have been a key figure behind FBI action against three major gambling websites in the United States.

Daniel Tzvetkoff, who had been facing 75 years jail in the US, has done a deal with prosecutors which has seen him freed on bail and living in a secret New York location.

The Courier-Mail reported today that the deal came after Tzvetkoff - a Brisbane boy wonder, who started a company with school mates at 13 - became embroiled in a massive, $543 million stew of money laundering, bank fraud and conspiracy that could bring down the world of online gambling.

Federal prosecutors in New York yesterday charged the founders of the three largest internet poker companies in the US with bank fraud, money laundering and other gambling offenses and are seeking penalties upward of $3 billion.

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Federal authorities also froze approximately 76 bank accounts in 14 countries that contain proceeds from the alleged offenses. They also shut down five internet domain names used by the three companies to host their games.

A total of 11 defendants, including the founders of Poker Stars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker, were named in the indictment unsealed Friday.

The Courier-Mail reported today that two of those companies Full Tilt Poker and PokerStars, had been seeking $100m they believed Tzvetkoff had taken from them.

Tzvetkoff was arrested in April last year and charged with money laundering, bank fraud and conspiracy for processing $543m in illegal internet gambling earnings through his British Virgin Islands corporation, Intabill, the trading arm of his now liquidated Brisbane company, BT Projects.

He was mysteriously bailed last August, and US authorities are using his inside knowledge of the gambling industry to go after gaming companies.

In yesterday's indictment, federal prosecutors explain that poker companies operating offshore cannot accept most forms of payment "in connection with the participation of another person in unlawful internet gambling." Since most banks in the US would not process their payments, the companies circumvented federal law by making payments appear to be transactions for other types of merchandise.

In the indictment, federal prosecutors say they arranged for payment processors with bank accounts in the US to receive payments from US gamblers and disguise them as payments for products such as jewelry or golf balls.

Of the billions of dollars in payment transactions that the Poker Companies tricked US banks into processing, approximately one-third or more of the funds went directly to the Poker Companies as revenue through a charge players must make on almost every poker hand played online.

That scheme worked for a while until some banks caught on. By 2009, they had shut down many fraudulent bank accounts used by the poker companies. Two of the defendants later came up with a scheme to persuade the principals of a few small, struggling banks to process payments in return for multi-million investments.

In one case, they persuaded the vice chairman of SunFirst Bank in Saint George, Utah, to process gambling transactions in return for a $10 million investment.

"As charged, these defendants concocted an elaborate criminal fraud scheme, alternately tricking some US banks and effectively bribing others to assure the continued flow of billions in illegal gambling profits," said Preet Bharara, US Attorney in Manhattan.

"Moreover, as we allege, in their zeal to circumvent the gambling laws, the defendants also engaged in massive money laundering and bank fraud."

Read more on Tzvetkoff in today's print edition of The Courier-Mail.
There's more in the print version, can't find it online right now, it's mainly just more detailed description of his past, more photos, etc.

Last edited by i have a weak hand; 04-17-2011 at 10:09 PM. Reason: including a quote...
04-17-2011 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SuckedOUt1
We are not a repressive state. The uk has always been one of the fairest and legitimate countries in the world. Look at our record of multiculturalism and immigration.

The usa has a poor record in relation to racism, foreign policy iraq, afgan and most of middle east. Guantamo bay and so on. Also it attitudes towards drinking where you have to be 21. In the uk we have a relaxed drinking culture at 18. Then you have the american religious groups preaching about everything related to anything. Now this incident with its handling of online poker not to mention the way its generally viewed as a bully.

America is not the land of the free
I know some Irish people who might disagree with you.
04-17-2011 , 10:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BandiChimePRO
I love how all these Europeans and Canadians are laughing at us. It's obvious they just hate us for our freedoms. I feel sorry for Doyle though. Now that all these internet players will be playing in his live games, he'll probably be broke soon.
I never said I was laughing at everybody. I am laughing at all of the tards that claim to be lawyers.
I feel for all American Poker Players.
Jealous of what freedoms? I am still playing on line poker, Are you?

Internet players can call Doyle's half mil all in with 9-6 os
Lets see if the foil hud on his head works.
04-17-2011 , 10:12 PM


I can gamble here but not play online poker for real money in the USA!
04-17-2011 , 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrindUnumb
This fear mongering is getting utterly ridiculous. Certainly the sites indicted have many issues to deal with, but you have no idea that it is a direct threat to any other site. Quit trying to scare people away from all the other sites having no issues, with your unfounded fear tactics.
It's not fear mongering. Take a look around you buddy.
04-17-2011 , 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thegumonyourshoe
Barry G is playing 8 game play monies right now.... lol
Barry G owns a plane that just flies in circles over international waters as he plays poker.
04-17-2011 , 10:14 PM
I am scared...very scared.
04-17-2011 , 10:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolekult
maybe that would be why I quoted DotheMath's post in the first place and hence my questions to try to get to the bottom of this complex legal situation. Many thanks for your valuable contribution.
and who was talking to u, bub?

I quoted your post to give context, because it was quoted by canuck. I was respondin to canuck.

For the record i feel the admins should leave alot of these "disinfo agent" posts up, as well as the responses to them exposing them. There should be history left up that this has happened, and that people have actively tried to spread various forms of convincing misinformation and propaganda on this topic right during the "outbreak" and scramble, probably even being paid to do it. It is very shady indeed.

Last edited by thettruth; 04-17-2011 at 10:30 PM.
04-17-2011 , 10:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HVEEPOKER
It's not fear mongering. Take a look around you buddy.
Take a look at what idiot? that we've had a bunch of new accounts sign up just yesterday/this month/last month/etc. like u spreading all kinds of bull**** with a straight face, and have contributed little/nothing else prior?

Last edited by thettruth; 04-17-2011 at 10:28 PM.
04-17-2011 , 10:17 PM
QJacks feed just go down for every1 else? I cant get it back up
04-17-2011 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltnonstop
pokerstrategy updated their site over night and they no longer mention pokerstars and full tilt poker as sites where your money is 100 % safe. pokerstrategy is one of the truly massive affiliate sites out there (my guess is only raketherake and pokernews are bigger).

i´m really happy i no longer have money on any of the sites involved in this (i´m from europe and i cashed out on friday)




http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/wo...d-in-US_45040/
When you list a site as 100% safe you can't unlist it, do you see why?
04-17-2011 , 10:20 PM
Nazi regime of greedy capitalist pigs is what your government is. Freedom and democracy my ****ing ass.
04-17-2011 , 10:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thettruth
and who the hell was talking to u, bub?

I quoted your post to give context, because it was quoted by canuck. I was respondin to canuck.

For the record i feel the admins should leave alot of the "disinfo agent" posts up, as well as responses to them exposing them. There should be history that this has happened, and that people have actively tried to spread various forms of convincing misinformation and propaganda on this topic right during the outbreak and scramble, probably even being paid to do it. It is very shady indeed.
ok sorry that wasn't how your post read to me, as you quoted my post i thought you were talking to me, nvm
04-17-2011 , 10:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mothercanuck
Nazi regime of greedy capitalist pigs is what your government is. Freedom and democracy my ****ing ass.
[ ] Knows what capitalism is
04-17-2011 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by :::grimReaper:::
[ ] Knows what capitalism is
[x] "capitalism" (if you could even call the idiot US that anymore) sucks.
04-17-2011 , 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jiggybluff
i find it funny that prob 5k of these posts are people who have <25 posts on 2p2
Multi-accounting colluders beget multi-accounting posters.
04-17-2011 , 10:31 PM
Everyone needs to go this site...we have never had this many people that have such an interest in getting this problem solved.

NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT PEOPLE! MAKE A DECISION NOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO HELP PITCH IN AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM OR BE ONE OF THE MANY SHEEP IN THIS COUNTRY THAT CONTINUALLY HAVE THEIR RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO LAZY OR TOO SCARED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!

http://www.pokerxanadu.com/actionplan.htm

ACTION PLAN FOR US POKER PLAYERS

1. Starting at 9am on Monday, April 18, 2011, call each and every number listed below*. If a number is busy, skip to next one and return to skipped ones later.

2. Continue phoning through 5pm or until you have reached every number.

3. On the next day (Tuesday) starting at 9am, finish calling the list if you didn’t finish it the previous day, then start over and call them all again.

4. Continue in this manner every day of the week, through Friday, April 22nd at 5pm. Try to reach every number every day of the week.

5. Use your social networks to get as many other people as possible to do the same thing by sending them this message:

Please help the poker players of America regain their rights from our government’s attack on our freedom by following the action plan shown here:
http://www.PokerXanadu.com/actionplan.htm

*Note: If you don’t have the free time to call them, call the ones from your state first. But the general idea is to let all our Congressional representatives know that poker players across the country are outraged and want their freedom back. This is best accomplished by inundating them with calls, regardless of which state you are from.

PDF of this plan available here: http://www.PokerXanadu.com/actionplan.pdf

WHAT TO SAY ON THE PHONE TO THE GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES (or their assistants):

· The Department of Justice’s attack on Internet poker is a clear attack on the rights of American poker players.

· The US government must ensure that the money American citizens have in their Internet poker accounts is not jeopardized by the DOJ’s actions.

· The US government should be protecting American citizens by allowing Internet poker sites to become licensed and regulated under US law, rather than taking away citizens’ freedom to choose to play online poker for fun or for a livelihood.

PHONE NUMBERS TO CALL

Southern District of New York, US Attorney General Preet Bharara (212) 637-2600

DOJ Office of the Attorney General Public Comment Line - 202-353-1555

White House Phone Numbers Comments: 202-456-1111

Alabama

Residents of Alabama are represented in Congress by 2 Senators and 7 Representatives.

Member Name
DC Phone

Senator Richard Shelby (R- AL)
202-224-5744

Senator Jeff Sessions (R- AL)
202-224-4124


Representative Jo Bonner (R - 01)
202-225-4931

Representative Martha Roby (R - 02)
202-225-2901

Representative Mike Rogers (R - 03)
202-225-3261

Representative Robert B. Aderholt (R - 04)
202-225-4876

Representative Mo Brooks (R - 05)
202-225-4801

Representative Spencer Bachus (R - 06)
202-225-4921

Representative Terri A. Sewell (D - 07)
202-225-2665

These are just the phone numbers for Alabama, follow the link and find numbers for your state. IMO, the more you played online, the more you should put into this. If you played 8 hours a day online, make calls for 2 hours a day. If you played for 2 hours a day, make calls for 30 minutes a day.

IF WE ALL PITCH IN AND DO THIS, IT WILL WORK! DO NOT LISTEN TO THE TROLLS WHO SAY NONE OF THIS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THEY ARE WRONG. EVERYONE CALL AND FILL OUT THIS LINK TO THE PPA TO WRITE LETTERS TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN/SENATORS (it takes 3 minutes tops). TIME TO QUIT COMPLAINING AND START TAKING ACTION!

http://capwiz.com/pokerplayersalliance/home/

Last edited by needdiaper$; 04-17-2011 at 10:37 PM.
04-17-2011 , 10:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mothercanuck
Nazi regime of greedy capitalist pigs is what your government is. Freedom and democracy my ****ing ass.
One Issue taken WAY outta context and to the extreme.

Same can be said for Neo-Cons in Canada, yes we have those up here too.
04-17-2011 , 10:33 PM
Well, if anything this thread brought a **** load of lurkers out of the woodwork.
04-17-2011 , 10:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YouWishFish
Well, if anything this thread brought a **** load of lurkers out of the woodwork.
I don't think this thread did, I think the seizure did.

Last edited by lolplaid; 04-17-2011 at 10:36 PM. Reason: spelled seizure siezurieierzrezireiirie lulz lulz lulz imo
04-17-2011 , 10:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by needdiaper$
Everyone needs to go this site...we have never had this many people that have such an interest in getting this problem solved.

NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT PEOPLE! MAKE A DECISION NOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO HELP PITCH IN AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM OR BE ONE OF THE MANY SHEEP IN THIS COUNTRY THAT CONTINUALLY HAVE THEIR RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO LAZY OR TOO SCARED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!

http://www.pokerxanadu.com/actionplan.htm

ACTION PLAN FOR US POKER PLAYERS

1. Starting at 9am on Monday, April 18, 2011, call each and every number listed below*. If a number is busy, skip to next one and return to skipped ones later.

2. Continue phoning through 5pm or until you have reached every number.

3. On the next day (Tuesday) starting at 9am, finish calling the list if you didn’t finish it the previous day, then start over and call them all again.

4. Continue in this manner every day of the week, through Friday, April 22nd at 5pm. Try to reach every number every day of the week.

5. Use your social networks to get as many other people as possible to do the same thing by sending them this message:

Please help the poker players of America regain their rights from our government’s attack on our freedom by following the action plan shown here:
http://www.PokerXanadu.com/actionplan.htm

*Note: If you don’t have the free time to call them, call the ones from your state first. But the general idea is to let all our Congressional representatives know that poker players across the country are outraged and want their freedom back. This is best accomplished by inundating them with calls, regardless of which state you are from.

PDF of this plan available here: http://www.PokerXanadu.com/actionplan.pdf

WHAT TO SAY ON THE PHONE TO THE GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES (or their assistants):

· The Department of Justice’s attack on Internet poker is a clear attack on the rights of American poker players.

· The US government must ensure that the money American citizens have in their Internet poker accounts is not jeopardized by the DOJ’s actions.

· The US government should be protecting American citizens by allowing Internet poker sites to become licensed and regulated under US law, rather than taking away citizens’ freedom to choose to play online poker for fun or for a livelihood.

PHONE NUMBERS TO CALL

Southern District of New York, US Attorney General Preet Bharara (212) 637-2600

DOJ Office of the Attorney General Public Comment Line - 202-353-1555

White House Phone Numbers Comments: 202-456-1111

Alabama

Residents of Alabama are represented in Congress by 2 Senators and 7 Representatives.

Member Name
DC Phone

Senator Richard Shelby (R- AL)
202-224-5744

Senator Jeff Sessions (R- AL)
202-224-4124


Representative Jo Bonner (R - 01)
202-225-4931

Representative Martha Roby (R - 02)
202-225-2901

Representative Mike Rogers (R - 03)
202-225-3261

Representative Robert B. Aderholt (R - 04)
202-225-4876

Representative Mo Brooks (R - 05)
202-225-4801

Representative Spencer Bachus (R - 06)
202-225-4921

Representative Terri A. Sewell (D - 07)
202-225-2665

These are just the phone numbers for Alabama, flollow the link and find numbers for your state. IMO, the more you played online, the more you should put into this. If you played 8 hours a day online, make calls for 2 hours a day. If you played for 2 hours a day, make calls for 30 minutes a day.

IF WE ALL PITCH IN AND DO THIS PART, THIS WILL WORK! DO NOT LISTEN TO THE TROLLS WHO SAY NONE OF THIS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THEY ARE WRONG. EVERYONE CALL AND FILL OUT THIS LINK TO THE PPA TO WRITE LETTERS TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN/SENATORS, (it takes 3 minutes tops) TIME TO QUIT COMPLAINING AND START TAKING ACTION!

http://capwiz.com/pokerplayersalliance/home/
This, we should quote it (or any other post with suggestions about action course) on every single page in this thread. US players: less talk, more actions. Fight back.

      
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