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Old 11-08-2013, 01:40 PM   #1751
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

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That's irrelevant. It would still have been the right move then he could have come on here and said MM owes him, he's given him proof and he's still not paying. I expect he would have taken a lot less flack that way.
That assumes JY needed to go as far as he did. I argue that he didn't and in fact the thread was over and done with when he released his messages.
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:44 PM   #1752
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Confirmed.


Shame you should have stuck with your initial thoughts on the thread

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=39
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:49 PM   #1753
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

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JY would have used Kilowatt in a second if it were to get paid.
I'm pretty sure after looking at a handful of kilowatt's posts that JY was never going to use him as an in between.
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:55 PM   #1754
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

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That's irrelevant. It would still have been the right move then he could have come on here and said MM owes him, he's given him proof and he's still not paying. I expect he would have taken a lot less flack that way.
I am not going to argue with you whether it was the right move or not it may well be but bottom line is that JY's case is so open and shut that he didn't have to be as transparent as all the pro MM supporters wanted him to be as it's all in the thread to date...for those that want to apply their minds to it that is.
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:58 PM   #1755
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

threads cool but I can't get over this

-moneymaker goes into a ton of debt and loses all of the money him and his dad had raised on sports betting
-goes on miracle run wins ME pays off all his debts
-10 years later hes back on 2+2 involved in a a pretty serious matter revolving around sports betting

[x] degens gonna degen
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:11 PM   #1756
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

Any chance of closing this thread, so that all the no-life people who still want some drama can collectively move on?
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:21 PM   #1757
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Any chance of closing this thread, so that all the no-life people who still want some drama can collectively move on?
I would prefer the thread stay open until I am paid.

With that said, things are clearly winding down so I agree everyone should stop pressing for more and more drama.
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:44 AM   #1758
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Interesting Segment from Poker Documentary "All In"

Having read through the MoneyMaker/JY thread, thought this was an interesting find on YouTube. Segment starts at 25:50 ish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BkxAZ5zlo
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Old 11-11-2013, 07:30 AM   #1759
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Re: Interesting Segment from Poker Documentary "All In"

Not as interesting as you might think..
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Old 11-11-2013, 08:18 AM   #1760
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Re: Interesting Segment from Poker Documentary "All In"

I found it surprising that he is admitting being a degenerate gambler
Should he really say that as an ambassador for stars
edit:stiffing bookies is also not nice lol
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:03 AM   #1761
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Re: Interesting Segment from Poker Documentary "All In"

yes, it is interesting.
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:52 AM   #1762
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Re: Interesting Segment from Poker Documentary "All In"

also included: Howard Lederer on cheating
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Old 11-11-2013, 01:32 PM   #1763
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Re: Interesting Segment from Poker Documentary "All In"

MM and JY are both complete scumbags. Wouldn't trust them with monopoly money.
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:18 PM   #1764
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Re: Interesting Segment from Poker Documentary "All In"

Seems interesting to me and very relevant for the MM/JY thread. Here is what he said, transcribed by me, for those who can't watch the video:

"He was obviously disappointed for a while but he's my dad and he forgave me. So I vowed to give (get?) the money back. Started betting with bookies when I didn't have no money online to bet. When I lost all my money online basically. I would find local bookies and lose to them. And stiff them. I ended up siffing like 4 bookies in my life i believe. I spent the rest of my natural life in college waking up at 10 o'clock, when I had 8 o'clock classes, to check the lines to see what the spreads were for that night and to do research for the rest of the day until 3 or 4 o'clock rolled around so I can bet on the games for that night. Then I would spend the whole night watching the games and rinse and repeat for the next day. You know it's terrible, on Tuesday morning you wake up and there's a phone ringing and you have to take it out the wall because it wont stop rining because the bookie is looking for his money. So basically I've been a degenerate gambler in every form of gambling you can do up until 2 years after college."
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:15 PM   #1765
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

".... up until 2 years after college."

Sadly, no.

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Old 11-11-2013, 03:25 PM   #1766
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

fwiw the all-in doc was briefly mention earlier in this thread

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Before arbitration I would like an answer to two questions

How in the hell do you have balance at 25k? My biggest bet of my life was the 7k bet I made so I know my number.

How do you open up the book for sheets in October when your boss is gone and you are insolvant?
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Is this true moneymaker? I watched the "All in" documentary were you stated you bet online $15k on 4 different games and lost all 4. Had to explain the situation to your dad? Now I'm confused.
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Well biggest by far since my college days. I was different back then and by the way I did pay off the two books I owed after I won the series not that it matters much
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:32 PM   #1767
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

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You still don't seem to get it. What evidence is there for CM to not have paid in May? Assani and Sheets are irrelevant; Chris was unaware of Assani and Sheets bets took place in October.
No, you don't seem to get it. You're making an argument with a strawman you've erected to amuse yourself apparently. It's pretty clear to almost everyone in the thread that these two were freerolling each other until something else comes out to suggest otherwise.
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Old 11-11-2013, 04:44 PM   #1768
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

opened again?

So, saga continues?

in b4 bundy, that Kilowatt guy, and others with infinite and indisputable knowledge about every aspect in this case and beyond...
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:55 AM   #1769
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opened again?

So, saga continues?

in b4 bundy, that Kilowatt guy, and others with infinite and indisputable knowledge about every aspect in this case and beyond...
I am curious to know what has recently transpired to open this thread again??? ProfessionalPoker locked it a few days ago.

Oh and countdown to bundy coming back in here to defend Jason is...
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:03 AM   #1770
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

merging of a related thread starting @ #1758

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Old 11-12-2013, 01:35 AM   #1771
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merging of a related thread starting @ #1758
No I saw the youtube link in post #1758 but again, not sure how this is new information.

Whatever though. At least now we can get some updates on Assani's checks from Jason, lol.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:41 PM   #1772
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503...and then not - see post 656)

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Spent the last three days talking to all parties involved including the one who never posted. I was sent information and I am satisfied I was not freerolled. I apologize to jason and am paying the money out as directed by him. This thread had many turns and drama. I really felt like I was protecting myself for once and I was proven to be incorrect.
Finally came to the right decision, (again.)

The vote right now;
2+2 computer nerds 62-13 that you should welch on your bets.

I wouldn't give any credit to any of those 62 people unless you plan on getting burned.

1st they lose, then they will make up BS excuses to not pay.
Beware of those 62 scammers.
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:43 AM   #1773
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503...and then not - see post 656)

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Finally came to the right decision, (again.)

The vote right now;
2+2 computer nerds 62-13 that you should welch on your bets.

I wouldn't give any credit to any of those 62 people unless you plan on getting burned.

1st they lose, then they will make up BS excuses to not pay.
Beware of those 62 scammers.
Right, absolutely no validity to the thought that a bet with someone who you discover would not have paid you had you won, was not a valid bet. Nope. Anyone who holds such a viewpoint is a scammer.

Congrats on winning worst post of the thread with your late entry.

Honestly, I'm kind of tempted to just ban you for calling 62 people scammers, with no proof to back it up.
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Old 11-13-2013, 03:07 AM   #1774
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Right, absolutely no validity to the thought that a bet with someone who you discover would not have paid you had you won, was not a valid bet. Nope. Anyone who holds such a viewpoint is a scammer.

Congrats on winning worst post of the thread with your late entry.

Honestly, I'm kind of tempted to just ban you for calling 62 people scammers, with no proof to back it up.
He should definitely be temp-banned.

That was the worst post on this whole 1770+ thread Bobo.
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:07 PM   #1775
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He should definitely be temp-banned.

That was the worst post on this whole 1770+ thread Bobo.
yeah...witch hunt...weeeeeeeee
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