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Old 11-07-2013, 05:05 PM   #1676
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

CY: you post on two plus two and save my rep and you owe me nothing deal?
MM: hell yes, can i get 5k on the heat tonight?
CY: booked
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:11 PM   #1677
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So now JY has proved (for some unknown value of 'proved') he was solvent, does that add weight to there being no runaway bookie? I can see some value in MM paying off debts that JY owed personally, but no value in paying off debts that are owed by the bookie.
Would be funny if the runaway bookie actually came here and thanked CM for paying his debts.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:13 PM   #1678
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Would be funny if the runaway bookie actually came here and thanked CM for paying his debts.
The runaway bookie has already came in here.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:33 PM   #1679
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

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Don't be silly, polygraph test are unreliable.

We need to stick him in an MRI machine.



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I really hope you're not being serious
He is being serious.

But, if the money winds up going to JY, you can owe him the money.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:50 PM   #1680
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I am paying out to people jason owes. We have agreed how the money is to be paid.
Are you still going to contribute your time to sheets charity?
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:51 PM   #1681
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

Hilarious part of thread now is the slew of posts by the few JY droolers who actually think they were correct about something. News flash, even if JY did somehow have the money at the time to not have been freerolling and wasn't the bookie, that doesn't mean it was correct to believe or assume that to be the case based on the evidence and information anyone here actually had. It's no different than someone betting that darvin moon is the sleeper pro that's gonna knock Ivey out of the main even at final table and then feeling smug about a short term stroke of luck finding a dogs ass when it happens.

But the reality of course, though, is that stroke of luck has yet to even spark here. Even though MM has stated he's decided he's seen enough proof to believe he should pay, nobody here has seen that information and therefore has any reason to change their read on JY being a freeroller/scammer. The fact that MM has claimed to have seen something to change his mind doesn't really say much considering how easily he has gone both ways in this thread already. He just as easily could have been sent some photoshopped bank statements and think it's all good and time to fork over $20k. He's already proven to have been moved by JY getting on the phone and simply working some mouth piece, so it's easily likely that given the time JY had to string together a plan he could pull one over on MM.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:56 PM   #1682
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News flash, even if JY did somehow have the money at the time to not have been freerolling and wasn't the bookie, that doesn't mean it was correct to believe or assume that to be the case based on the evidence and information anyone here actually had.
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:04 PM   #1683
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One can always have a ton of money available and still freeroll people anyway.
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:27 PM   #1684
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Hilarious part of thread now is the slew of posts by the few JY droolers who actually think they were correct about something. News flash, even if JY did somehow have the money at the time to not have been freerolling and wasn't the bookie, that doesn't mean it was correct to believe or assume that to be the case based on the evidence and information anyone here actually had. It's no different than someone betting that darvin moon is the sleeper pro that's gonna knock Ivey out of the main even at final table and then feeling smug about a short term stroke of luck finding a dogs ass when it happens.

But the reality of course, though, is that stroke of luck has yet to even spark here. Even though MM has stated he's decided he's seen enough proof to believe he should pay, nobody here has seen that information and therefore has any reason to change their read on JY being a freeroller/scammer. The fact that MM has claimed to have seen something to change his mind doesn't really say much considering how easily he has gone both ways in this thread already. He just as easily could have been sent some photoshopped bank statements and think it's all good and time to fork over $20k. He's already proven to have been moved by JY getting on the phone and simply working some mouth piece, so it's easily likely that given the time JY had to string together a plan he could pull one over on MM.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:28 PM   #1685
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

lol my favorite part of this thread is that you get to see just how degen the poker community is with their ridiculous spot betting addictions. true story.
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:34 PM   #1686
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If he did provide it to MM directly even a week or so ago, whose to say he wouldn't have just shrugged it off like he did repeatedly in those text messages that we know of?

Ultimately, 2+2 is the only way to resolve it and as it turned out that has eventually been the case.
Yeah but the correct way to play it would have been to show MM the proof first and then come to 2+2 if he shrugged it off.
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:55 PM   #1687
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CY: you post on two plus two and save my rep and you owe me nothing deal?
MM: hell yes, can i get 5k on the heat tonight?
CY: booked
Lmao

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Old 11-07-2013, 07:03 PM   #1688
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503...and then not - see post 656)

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Yea I didn't fully understand what he saying here either. Jason and I had been working out his payments, and I'm pretty sure he has already mailed out multiple checks with different dates for me to cash them on.



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Ok, cool...if you are able to pay $2022 at once then I'd obv prefer that over installments. I can just rip Jason's checks up when they arrive if we do this.
Chris, JY texted me and said he already sent the checks and that he would rather pay me in installments as we had outlined than have you pay for him. So I guess don't pay me(so long as these payments from him come as expected).
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:13 PM   #1689
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Chris, JY texted me and said he already sent the checks and that he would rather pay me in installments as we had outlined than have you pay for him. So I guess don't pay me(so long as these payments from him come as expected).
You are still going to agree to installments even AFTER Chris said he would pay Jason????
Assani I am sorry but you are getting hosed.
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:16 PM   #1690
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young - resolved (post 497&503)...then not (post 656)...then is (post 1

in before stars drops mm
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:38 PM   #1691
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Where did I say you said this? I said 'many' - oh the irony of your comment!
Ok, point to me in the thread where 'many' people are calling for him to prove his liquidity in this thread.

Kilowatt states have a 3rd party prove it, no where does he say post the proof of liquidity in this thread. I stated have a 3rd party prove it by way of going to the bank. Many have stated they would like to hear of the resolution details and what proof was substantiated.

I do not see multiple posts of people stating "show your proof of liquidity here."

If somehow you are being extremely obtuse and stating "Oh I meant they are clamoring to prove his liquidity, as stated in the thread" then you completely miss the crux of the argument - which was he had to prove it somehow in order to claim he wasn't scamming. So of course he had to prove it.

But no where I read were many people claiming to demonstrate that proof in the thread.
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:44 PM   #1692
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Hilarious part of thread now is the slew of posts by the few JY droolers who actually think they were correct about something. News flash, even if JY did somehow have the money at the time to not have been freerolling and wasn't the bookie, that doesn't mean it was correct to believe or assume that to be the case based on the evidence and information anyone here actually had.

Even though MM has stated he's decided he's seen enough proof to believe he should pay, nobody here has seen that information and therefore has any reason to change their read on JY being a freeroller/scammer.
Oh, but it was perfectly fine to assume JY was freerolling/scamming Chris with no evidence. ok
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:45 PM   #1693
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Jesus Christ these Moneymaker lapdogs are pathetic.
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:46 PM   #1694
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isnt all the proof needed that jason didnt pay other people the money he owed? if he couldnt pay them he obviously couldnt pay chris either


what a weird situation, feel a bit bad for chris in all this because i think the fact that he is a "celebrity" is clearly getting taken advantage of here, he knows it, calls jason on it, but in the end cant really go with his read
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:52 PM   #1695
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Does anyone get a fruit basket out of this?
lol
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:00 PM   #1696
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News flash, even if JY did somehow have the money at the time to not have been freerolling and wasn't the bookie, that doesn't mean it was correct to believe or assume that to be the case based on the evidence and information anyone here actually had.
Well I don't know about you but tbh the financial statements, account details sort of documentation etc was irrelevant because with the release of those messages by JY MM could not jump over the first hurdle in that his story did not check out with those messages and therefore really his guilt could be assessed there and there was no need for JY to provide anything else.

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But the reality of course, though, is that stroke of luck has yet to even spark here. Even though MM has stated he's decided he's seen enough proof to believe he should pay, nobody here has seen that information and therefore has any reason to change their read on JY being a freeroller/scammer. The fact that MM has claimed to have seen something to change his mind doesn't really say much considering how easily he has gone both ways in this thread already. He just as easily could have been sent some photoshopped bank statements and think it's all good and time to fork over $20k. He's already proven to have been moved by JY getting on the phone and simply working some mouth piece, so it's easily likely that given the time JY had to string together a plan he could pull one over on MM.
Again read the above and lol as to why would you think that information would ever be released into the public forum for you to able to form an opinion about?
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:07 PM   #1697
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Right or wrong, I don't think Chris can reverse himself again.
not that i can control in but i do think Assani & sheets should be paid Asap or deal charity on sheets debt.
this thread has been a time vampire.




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Old 11-07-2013, 08:10 PM   #1698
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Yeah but the correct way to play it would have been to show MM the proof first and then come to 2+2 if he shrugged it off.
JY's probably in a better position to assume whether MM would have shrugged it off or not - by the mere fact that MM has still not paid over a period of 18 months despite communications between the two if we go by MM's OP suggests to me that it would have been a forlorn act to hand the financial information to him a week or month prior.

As I have said previously and this relates to the naming of the bookie, there is no question in my mind that at the time (and up until the last noted message of Sep 2012) MM let his first win ride that he had confidence in the ability of JY to pay the money as why else would someone who is experienced in making sports bet (as we all concede MM would be) allow a bet to ride if he didn't have an expectation that JY had sufficient liquidity. This ends for me the need to release financial information for the necessary burden of proof that JY has got to show.

For those naysayers and forgetting that those text messages ever existed, I don't believe that MM gets another chance to redeem himself or in other words getting out of having to pay JY after making two clear mistakes:

1. Not doing the background checks on JY to ascertain whether he was good for the money in the event he won (well he did win, didn't say well I better not ride my luck any further as I don't know about this guy JY and cash out now - he chose to let his win ride! - MM is a big boy he should be able to stand up for the bets he makes)
2. Which follows and explains his satisfaction with the above by letting the first win ride.
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:17 PM   #1699
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I think it's because this thread has been a huge waste of time, only serving to make everyone, including some posters, look bad.

Why JY couldn't provide this "proof" directly to CM a week ago - or actually months ago - is beyond me. That's what everyone (including Kilowatt) was asking. It was his refusal to do this, to CM or to a third party, that baffled everyone. And before finally picking up the phone, or emailing CM the proof, he decided to call Pokerstars (!) to have them pressure Chris, and later he dumped a bunch of private texts that make CM look quite bad (money issues, wife issues). Why? Why do all that when the proof was right there?

Obviously, if CM is satisfied, it's his problem, so issue solved. JY doesn't owe anyone in this thread anything, other than Assini and Sheets and some other unknown person that CM referenced. CM implies they will be taken care of, so all's well that ends well.

Just a strange, bizarre thread, and I do believe we only have a small percentage of the real info. But CM determined it was in his best interest to end it, and so, at least between him and JY, it ends. Although, we've been here before, and then things changed. So let's see if any other surprises await.

Now I'm off to make a bid on MonemakerGaming.com. Wish me luck, everyone!


Great post.

If it makes anyone feel better, I really really really wish I had never gotten involved in this thread, and totally want those hours of my life back.

If anyone here has secretly invented a time machine, PM me. My bookie will pay you for it.

That is all.
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:22 PM   #1700
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Ok, point to me in the thread where 'many' people are calling for him to prove his liquidity in this thread.
Well I'll let you do that since all you have is semantics to argue about now

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Kilowatt states have a 3rd party prove it, no where does he say post the proof of liquidity in this thread. I stated have a 3rd party prove it by way of going to the bank. Many have stated they would like to hear of the resolution details and what proof was substantiated.

I do not see multiple posts of people stating "show your proof of liquidity here."

If somehow you are being extremely obtuse and stating "Oh I meant they are clamoring to prove his liquidity, as stated in the thread" then you completely miss the crux of the argument - which was he had to prove it somehow in order to claim he wasn't scamming. So of course he had to prove it.

But no where I read were many people claiming to demonstrate that proof in the thread.
If you also care to look at the majority of my posts, especially the ones I have just written, you will understand why this release of financial information isn't all that important in making a determination.

A bit of logical deduction is all you need based on what has been presented in this thread.
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