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Old 11-06-2013, 07:52 PM   #1601
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Can't wait for the well respected 2+2'er. I am so excited!
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:57 PM   #1602
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:17 PM   #1603
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:21 PM   #1604
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Hmmm, so 2+2 is a venue by which you "litigate" a matter. Well if we were to poll the jury, the verdict would go to CM. So I guess the verdict goes to CM.
I wouldn't believe that verdict for one second. Well decided by the fan boys without any objectivity and let's not forget I believe it was closed before JY released those texts. Anyway, poor form by the mod that made it into a poll as he has certainly jumped the gun.



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Yes, most degen gamblers who are broke and own restaurants in which they sunk their life savings, usually wait 18 months to collect on a 25k (?) debt. Suoer standard play there. Easier explanation- he was a scammer.
Well he didn't wait 18 months, did he? It is fact through those admissions made by MM in those texts 5 months after he lost the bet that he indeed owed JY the money and it is not out of the realms of possibility that further communications between the two occurred especially if we look at the first line of MM's OP.


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Yes, he was so concerned about "goodwill" that he allegedly ran to Pstars like a lil *****.
Convenient argument for MM to run to disparage JY's reputation. Easy fix would be a PS rep come on here with the info to show it. To me, this line of attack by MM is similar to suggestions MM made in the other thread raised by Stinky that the OP in that thread ought to have known better than to trust one of MM's reps' word.


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CM maintains to this day and ITT that if Jason could produce any legitimate evidence (bet slips, bank statements, emails, texts, etc) he would snap pay and apologize. Yet, your fair haired boy is full of bluster and little substance.
He had that chance for 3 months after he lost the bet but he repeatedly reassured JY for three months (that we know of) that he was going to pay his dues.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see MM ship it before this reputable 2+2 poster comes online to assess the situation.
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:23 PM   #1605
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:32 PM   #1606
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Jy is a scammer.
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:33 PM   #1607
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why does everyone think its so bad to contact pokerstars for the MM debt? if someone stole 15k from me i would do everything i could to make their life hell.
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:58 PM   #1608
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I wouldn't believe that verdict for one second. Well decided by the fan boys without any objectivity
We understand that you are in the minority. Perhaps it is you who lacks objectivity.

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Anyway, poor form by the mod that made it into a poll as he has certainly jumped the gun.
It must be the mods fault the vote didn't go your way.

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it is not out of the realms of possibility that further communications between the two occurred especially if we look at the first line of MM's OP.
Its not out of the realm of possibility that JY should have sat down man to man to resolve the matter with evidence. Its not out of the realm of possibility that JY should have paid Assani a lousy 2k for a year.

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Convenient argument for MM to run to disparage JY's reputation.
I believe it was JY that allegedly ran to pokerstars, threatened to come to 2+2, and then posted text messages.

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Easy fix would be a PS rep come on here with the info to show it.
It would be even easier if JY sat down with MM and prove he wasnt free rolling.

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To me, this line of attack by MM is similar to suggestions MM made in the other thread raised by Stinky that the OP in that thread ought to have known better than to trust one of MM's reps' word.
Poor Jason is under attack? How many people has he attacked ITT?

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I also wouldn't be surprised to see MM ship it before this reputable 2+2 poster comes online to assess the situation.
Yawn.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:04 PM   #1609
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A well respected 2+2'er came by yesterday and we had a nice talk. I openly shared some things that I'm pretty sure he will be in at some point to post his thoughts. I'm confident he will be able to confirm that I had $ in march-June of 2012 I'm the sole owner of my establishment and there was in fact someone else involved and I was not personally taking any action other than what I was doing knowingly in the thread etc
Geez, I thought it was none of our ****ing business, and you didn't have to prove anything to a bunch of random droolers. Now you are rounding up all your buddies to be character witnesses???? Dude just stop. Sit down with MM and show him your bank statements from that period in private. Would be alot easier than going all Johnny Cochrane with this nonsense.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:19 PM   #1610
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Yea this doesn't make any sense. If you had the money in the spring of 2012, just prove it to us.

If you won't prove it to us, then I'm gonna assume you were broke and freerolling. I don't care who you walk into this thread to say otherwise.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:38 PM   #1611
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Spent the last three days talking to all parties involved including the one who never posted. I was sent information and I am satisfied I was not freerolled. I apologize to jason and am paying the money out as directed by him. This thread had many turns and drama. I really felt like I was protecting myself for once and I was proven to be incorrect.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:40 PM   #1612
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Spent the last three days talking to all parties involved including the one who never posted. I was sent information and I am satisfied I was not freerolled. I apologize to jason and am paying the money out as directed by him. This thread had many turns and drama. I really felt like I was protecting myself for once and I was proven to be incorrect.

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Old 11-06-2013, 09:45 PM   #1613
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Oh word? First you admit defeat then ask Squee how to use HUDs?
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:52 PM   #1614
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Oh word? First you admit defeat then ask Squee how to use HUDs?
Don't comprehend how that is relative
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:56 PM   #1615
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:56 PM   #1616
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Spent the last three days talking to all parties involved including the one who never posted. I was sent information and I am satisfied I was not freerolled. I apologize to jason and am paying the money out as directed by him. This thread had many turns and drama. I really felt like I was protecting myself for once and I was proven to be incorrect.
Unbelievable display of class and integrity. Don't read this is as sarcastic. It's not. Wtg, Chris.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:59 PM   #1617
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I told him I was on the road and would take care of it when I got home. No problem he said. As I am sitting in airport headed home I get a Skype message from another guy that used to bet in the forum. He asked if Jason owed me money and I responded that I owed him. He told me Jason has owed him 18k for a few weeks and hadn't paid and asked I pay him instead of Jason. I told him at that time I would not pay Jason and pay him. When I got home I stalled paying Jason to see how the situation would shake out. Over the next 2 months 2 other people I know messaged me asking if Jason owed me money. I gave them dame answer that I owed him. The total that he owed the 3 guys was over 40k.
So was this all a lie Chris?
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:04 PM   #1618
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does this mean paying it to assani, sheets, etc?
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:09 PM   #1619
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So was this all a lie Chris?
One thing I always do is tell the truth. That is the truth as I recalled from over a year ago. I never would of let this thread happen if I didn't think I was freerolled. I was incorrect in this and made a mistake. I asked for information and if I got the information I would apologize and pay. I am comfortable enough to know I was wrong.
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does this mean paying it to assani, sheets, etc?
I am paying out to people jason owes. We have agreed how the money is to be paid.
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:51 PM   #1622
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I am paying out to people jason owes. We have agreed how the money is to be paid.
1)You really didn't have the money to pay Jason back then and the old "I'm being freerolled" excuse was a good one to use until you got your finances back on track.
OR

2) You are more gullible then I thought and Jason was able to put some crap together and dupe you into believing he had money to pay you last year. Oh, even though he couldn't do that for over a year and offered no proof in this thread no matter how many requests were made.

I have to give Jason props - he is 1 crafty devil.

Hey Chris, give me a week and I'll prove to you I had 100 million last year. I swear, I'll prove it to you!!!
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:53 PM   #1623
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Something fishy is going on. Maybe JY has some dirt on MM.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:09 PM   #1624
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conspiracy theories aside
why couldn't this proof had been offered up earlier to avoid this thread and everyone's time?
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:11 PM   #1625
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conspiracy theories aside
why couldn't this proof had been offered up earlier to avoid this thread and everyone's time?
Need time in order to make it look real.
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