The evidence keeps piling up.

Yeah to be fair Greg Raymer came out of this whole thing in worse shape than Chris or Jason

Cliffs:

Moneymaker owes Jason ~20k from sports betting on credit with Jason's "bookie."

Jason owes Sheets and several others money from sports betting with Jason's "bookie."

"Bookie" conveniently disappeared right when Jason decided to pour all of his money into some ****ty restaurant.

Moneymaker found out Jason is unable to pay people and thus didn't want to pay him based on the fact that Jason is insolvent and wouldn't have paid MM had he won his bets.

Somehow Sheets and others convince MM to pay up anyway so they can get their money owed. Everything is "resolved."

Jason is super shady.

/cliffs

Jason admits that he owes people, he has never denied it. If AE's friend won the money in September+ it fits with JY's timeline. If money was won before or in April it would prove what Chris has been saying all along to be true.

Chris claims he found this out in April but so far hasn't presented any proof of it.

I'm the friend who is owed money. I was in Toronto during the NHL playoffs(April 2012), and since everyone there loves hockey I decided to make a bet on my home team, the Washington Capitals. Here are our posts:






Disagree. It has been very difficult to stay in touch with Jason, as I've tried to track him down on here, on email, and via twitter. I was able to have this brief exchange via email in August 2013:

From him(after I contacted him multiple times via twitter and gave him my email) on 8/8/13:


My response on 8/9/13:


and then I never heard from him again.

To people saying that if he was guaranteeing the money, why wouldn't he a bookie rather than an agent, what if he just trusted the bookie? Say in his mind there's a 0.1% chance of having to front the money. So he takes 15k, gives to his boss. He can't take the swings of betting those amounts, but it is very possible he could legit have the money to guarantee the bets and prefer the relatively low variance money without having to put up with huge swings unless the very rare case of the boss skipping out happened.

Also I still don't get how JY wins if sheets and others made their bets later. Wouldn't that mean they were making bets after JY had admitted his boss ran off and he didn't have the money? Yes this would mean CM was in the wrong too but he still shouldn't pay.

Similarly, while it does seem like if CM had lost he might not have been able to pay either, but that's not relevant at all in this scenario other than warning others to avoid betting with him in the future. The fair resolution if either was freerolling the other would be for the bet to be void. So if they both made the bet and they both were freerolling each other, the fair resolution in both cases would be for no money to be paid. In this case that's CM's side and if he'd won it'd be JY's side. Just because they were being scummy themselves doesn't mean they owe money when the fair resolution would clearly be 0.

Thread title change? Or new thread?

Wya JY?

Jason Young is a scumbag.

If I knew how to post pics and all that I would put a picture of a tweet from assani from 7/26/13 that says " I'm a lazy poker player who is bad about following through, we still have never settled up"

the site went down and I never went back on, thread was dead and he contacted me 15 months later. That was a bet between us, and had nothing to do with a third party. He didn't contact me, how can I pay someone that I don't know who it even is. I was unaware of this debt until july when he brought it to my attention. Ive also never denied that it is in fact owed. I had been to the wsop 2x that was posted all over my fb and twitter and never heard a peep.

I know everyone likes drama and conspiracies but my financial situation now has been already discussed, he is owed $ I responded with an email stating I acknowledged it. If this would have been brought to my attention earlier it would have 100% been taken care of already- as for right now it will be handled asap.

it better be handled asap

You are such a pos it's unreal. How do you get off saying "I'm acknowledging I owe money" and then think everything is fine. How do your restaurant partners/investors feel about being in business with someone with gambling issues? You're a ****ing joke. Makes me sick you get opportunities over and over even though you are a complete degen.

What is the restaurant where you invested in?
Name of restaurant and location?

In b4 handled ASAP

or else Cena0wns will start photoshopping your head into Rob Schneider movie posters!

Yes, this is correct. Nearly every time I've contacted you, I've tried to be like "Hey looks like we both must've forgotten about this, lets try to get it settled" instead of "You owe me money. Pay up ASAP!!!". I did this because I felt it would increase my chances of getting paid.

Here were our twitter interactions:

I followed you so that you could follow me back and we could have a DM convo. You DMed me on March 7:

Unfortunately I didn't see it for 2 days and you unfollowed me. So then I tweeted at you again:

You followed me again and sent me 2 more DMs on March 9 and March 19:


So then on 3/19/13 I sent you an email:


You didn't reply to this email.


Then on 7/26/13 I tweeted at you again:


I didn't hear from you, so I sent you an email and tweeted at you two more times:


You replied:



And I replied by giving you 2 separate email addresses you could contact me at:



I didn't hear from you, so on 8/7/13 I sent you a screenshot of my email accounts showing that I was still waiting on your email replies:


Then on 8/8/13 you finally responded via email:



I wrote back on 8/9/13:


And thats the last I've heard from you since aejones linked me to this thread.





Just so I'm understanding here....

You made a bet with me on 2p2. 2p2 went down for about a week. You concluded that there was no possible way of finding me or settling up in any way. Is that correct?




I feel as if arguing with you will only hurt my chances of getting paid, so I won't bother posting here much more. As soon as I am paid, I will mention it in this thread so that your reputation can be cleared. The best way to contact me is via twitter or 2p2 PM.

Big ups to Chris and Jason for resolving this matter.

Jason's "oh twoplustwo got shut down I don't know what happened to it" defense is pretty hilarious.

I think this is a little over-the-top. He isn't required to disclose such personal information to a message board regardless of the circumstances.

Jason Young confirmed super shady character... saddest thing is that this is the regular kind of guy in the poker/gambling world.


nothing should have been paid imo, and more people should have come out and outted him and his debts

yes, all went to hell and we had a brand new world after it.

Solid analysis by Kilowatt. Bet is void. CM should take a step back before he considers paying this a$$ clown a dime. How many more people are going to come forward with charges of scumbaggery by JY. Let this play out a little longer before shipping anything to anyone.

perfect cliffs