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Old 10-29-2013, 04:17 PM   #526
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can someone give me the cliffs of this thread? jason has owed my friends a few thousand bucks for over a year. i will alert him to this thread.

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Old 10-29-2013, 04:22 PM   #527
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can someone give me the cliffs of this thread? jason has owed my friend a few thousand bucks for over a year. i will alert him to this thread.
The evidence keeps piling up.
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Old 10-29-2013, 04:37 PM   #528
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To add

At least you didn't get your hand caught in the hooker jar.
Yeah to be fair Greg Raymer came out of this whole thing in worse shape than Chris or Jason
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can someone give me the cliffs of this thread? jason has owed my friend a few thousand bucks for over a year. i will alert him to this thread.
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Moneymaker owes Jason ~20k from sports betting on credit with Jason's "bookie."

Jason owes Sheets and several others money from sports betting with Jason's "bookie."

"Bookie" conveniently disappeared right when Jason decided to pour all of his money into some ****ty restaurant.

Moneymaker found out Jason is unable to pay people and thus didn't want to pay him based on the fact that Jason is insolvent and wouldn't have paid MM had he won his bets.

Somehow Sheets and others convince MM to pay up anyway so they can get their money owed. Everything is "resolved."

Jason is super shady.

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can someone give me the cliffs of this thread? jason has owed my friend a few thousand bucks for over a year. i will alert him to this thread.
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The evidence keeps piling up.
Jason admits that he owes people, he has never denied it. If AE's friend won the money in September+ it fits with JY's timeline. If money was won before or in April it would prove what Chris has been saying all along to be true.
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Moneymaker found out Jason is unable to pay people and thus didn't want to pay him based on the fact that Jason is insolvent and wouldn't have paid MM had he won his bets.
Chris claims he found this out in April but so far hasn't presented any proof of it.
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:47 PM   #532
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can someone give me the cliffs of this thread? jason has owed my friend a few thousand bucks for over a year. i will alert him to this thread.
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Jason admits that he owes people, he has never denied it. If AE's friend won the money in September+ it fits with JY's timeline. If money was won before or in April it would prove what Chris has been saying all along to be true.

I'm the friend who is owed money. I was in Toronto during the NHL playoffs(April 2012), and since everyone there loves hockey I decided to make a bet on my home team, the Washington Capitals. Here are our posts:


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I'd like to risk up to $1K betting on Washington Caps at no vig line to win their first round playoff series.
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if you'd like to escrow, ill take this bet...if not-no prob
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I have Stars money and could escrow if you required it. I'm also staying in Toronto with aejones and perhaps chewy if he makes it back out here for SCOOP, both of whom I'm sure would vouch for me(as well as having nearly 40K posts and a perfect history of paying on a ton of bets made on here). I'll also be in Miami for WPT from 16th-25th, so if you happen to be there we could settle up in person.
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i can only settle boa,wells,chase quickpay...do any of those options work for you?

if aejones or chewy vouches for bet, (we have never bet before) and u can settle one of those ways...we are booked
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yea, I'm sure Aaron will vouch for me.

I have BoA and can settle that way.


Whats the no vig line anyway? I'm just a very casual Caps fan who is currently staying in Canada(so much hockey coverage!!!) so I wanted a sweat.
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Posting to confirm that we are booked. I'll text Aaron telling him to stop in here and say something. Current Pinny line is:

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First Round Series (Best of Seven)
THU 4/12 WASHINGTON CAPITALS VS BOSTON BRUINS
04:35 PM 889 Washington Capitals +195
890 Boston Bruins -218
We can put that into a no-vig calculator and use that if you want. I am risking $1K. You are risking ~$2K
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i can vouch for assani for any amount up to $13,264
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Bump for Jason. I sent you a PM the day before 2p2 went down, but I see that you haven't logged into your account since then. I'm just posting this in case you lost your log-in info...in that case, send me a PM from your new account and we can settle up. The total is $2022 and I can do BoA. If anyone knows of another way to reach Jason, that'd be appreciated.




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I’ve made arrangements with the people that are owed, been in constant contact with them the entire time, inviting them to come speak to me personally in NY. I value my name in this world, and have always done the right thing. Some people have been paid off in full, some have arranged payment plans etc, which none of which would be necessary if Chris paid his debt, then all of this would be behind us.
Disagree. It has been very difficult to stay in touch with Jason, as I've tried to track him down on here, on email, and via twitter. I was able to have this brief exchange via email in August 2013:

From him(after I contacted him multiple times via twitter and gave him my email) on 8/8/13:

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What's going on man- I didn't have any emails hopefully we finally touch base- hadn't been back on 2+2 since the site crashed don't even have my log in info at this point. Opened a business and had a baby in the past year- liquid $ is tight at the moment but I obv you... Moneymaker owes me 25k that I'm working on getting he's supposed to be shipping $ off stars at the next ept whenever that is. So gimme a few weeks to see how that pans out and if he doesn't come through ill ship something over to ya to just get the ball rolling. I literally am working 7 days 16+ hours a day at my restaurant and spend all of the other time with my daughter so when I know you got this ill shoot u my # so u can just text me cuz I'm not always checking email etc

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My cell is xxx xxx xxxx. I don't mind working out a payment plan if money is tight these days- I'm pretty broke myself, which is why I need to collect on this. Talk to you soon.

-Assani

and then I never heard from him again.
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:59 PM   #533
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503)

To people saying that if he was guaranteeing the money, why wouldn't he a bookie rather than an agent, what if he just trusted the bookie? Say in his mind there's a 0.1% chance of having to front the money. So he takes 15k, gives to his boss. He can't take the swings of betting those amounts, but it is very possible he could legit have the money to guarantee the bets and prefer the relatively low variance money without having to put up with huge swings unless the very rare case of the boss skipping out happened.

Also I still don't get how JY wins if sheets and others made their bets later. Wouldn't that mean they were making bets after JY had admitted his boss ran off and he didn't have the money? Yes this would mean CM was in the wrong too but he still shouldn't pay.

Similarly, while it does seem like if CM had lost he might not have been able to pay either, but that's not relevant at all in this scenario other than warning others to avoid betting with him in the future. The fair resolution if either was freerolling the other would be for the bet to be void. So if they both made the bet and they both were freerolling each other, the fair resolution in both cases would be for no money to be paid. In this case that's CM's side and if he'd won it'd be JY's side. Just because they were being scummy themselves doesn't mean they owe money when the fair resolution would clearly be 0.
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503)

Thread title change? Or new thread?

Wya JY?
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Jason Young is a scumbag.
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:28 PM   #537
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If I knew how to post pics and all that I would put a picture of a tweet from assani from 7/26/13 that says " I'm a lazy poker player who is bad about following through, we still have never settled up"

the site went down and I never went back on, thread was dead and he contacted me 15 months later. That was a bet between us, and had nothing to do with a third party. He didn't contact me, how can I pay someone that I don't know who it even is. I was unaware of this debt until july when he brought it to my attention. Ive also never denied that it is in fact owed. I had been to the wsop 2x that was posted all over my fb and twitter and never heard a peep.

I know everyone likes drama and conspiracies but my financial situation now has been already discussed, he is owed $ I responded with an email stating I acknowledged it. If this would have been brought to my attention earlier it would have 100% been taken care of already- as for right now it will be handled asap.
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:32 PM   #538
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If I knew how to post pics and all that I would put a picture of a tweet from assani from 7/26/13 that says " I'm a lazy poker player who is bad about following through, we still have never settled up"

the site went down and I never went back on, thread was dead and he contacted me 15 months later. That was a bet between us, and had nothing to do with a third party. He didn't contact me, how can I pay someone that I don't know who it even is. I was unaware of this debt until july when he brought it to my attention. Ive also never denied that it is in fact owed. I had been to the wsop 2x that was posted all over my fb and twitter and never heard a peep.

I know everyone likes drama and conspiracies but my financial situation now has been already discussed, he is owed $ I responded with an email stating I acknowledged it. If this would have been brought to my attention earlier it would have 100% been taken care of already- as for right now it will be handled asap.
it better be handled asap
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If I knew how to post pics and all that I would put a picture of a tweet from assani from 7/26/13 that says " I'm a lazy poker player who is bad about following through, we still have never settled up"

the site went down and I never went back on, thread was dead and he contacted me 15 months later. That was a bet between us, and had nothing to do with a third party. He didn't contact me, how can I pay someone that I don't know who it even is. I was unaware of this debt until july when he brought it to my attention. Ive also never denied that it is in fact owed. I had been to the wsop 2x that was posted all over my fb and twitter and never heard a peep.

I know everyone likes drama and conspiracies but my financial situation now has been already discussed, he is owed $ I responded with an email stating I acknowledged it. If this would have been brought to my attention earlier it would have 100% been taken care of already- as for right now it will be handled asap.
You are such a pos it's unreal. How do you get off saying "I'm acknowledging I owe money" and then think everything is fine. How do your restaurant partners/investors feel about being in business with someone with gambling issues? You're a ****ing joke. Makes me sick you get opportunities over and over even though you are a complete degen.
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What is the restaurant where you invested in?
Name of restaurant and location?
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or else Cena0wns will start photoshopping your head into Rob Schneider movie posters!
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If I knew how to post pics and all that I would put a picture of a tweet from assani from 7/26/13 that says " I'm a lazy poker player who is bad about following through, we still have never settled up"
Yes, this is correct. Nearly every time I've contacted you, I've tried to be like "Hey looks like we both must've forgotten about this, lets try to get it settled" instead of "You owe me money. Pay up ASAP!!!". I did this because I felt it would increase my chances of getting paid.

Here were our twitter interactions:

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@JYoungpoker Are you the same person who posted under the name "Jason Young" on twoplustwo? https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/240787/
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@JYoungpoker Please take a second to answer my Feb 11th tweet @ u. Need to resolve an issue & don't wanna wrongfully accuse anyone publicly.
I followed you so that you could follow me back and we could have a DM convo. You DMed me on March 7:

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What's up?
Unfortunately I didn't see it for 2 days and you unfollowed me. So then I tweeted at you again:

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@JYoungpoker https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=89171 … Sorry didn't reply to PM quicker. Am trying to collect on bet. If not u, sorry for bothering u.
You followed me again and sent me 2 more DMs on March 9 and March 19:

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Sent you a message two days ago, trying again now... What's up
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Send me an email xxxxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com

So then on 3/19/13 I sent you an email:

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Hey man. Just saw your twitter direct message

You didn't reply to this email.


Then on 7/26/13 I tweeted at you again:

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Assani Fisher ‏@AssaniFisher 26 Jul
@JYoungpoker I'm a lazy poker player who is bad about following through. We still have never settled up: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=89171 … DM me plz.

I didn't hear from you, so I sent you an email and tweeted at you two more times:

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Assani Fisher ‏@AssaniFisher 30 Jul
Hey @JYoungpoker, lets settle this up please: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=89171 … I'm not hard to find/contact, this shouldn't be an issue any further
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@JYoungpoker email sent earlier today to xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com, my email is xxxxxxxx@yahoo.com

You replied:

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@AssaniFisher sent you like 4 dm's with email info a while ago email me
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Jason Young ‏@JYoungpoker 3 Aug
@AssaniFisher what's your email ill send u and u can write back didn't get anything


And I replied by giving you 2 separate email addresses you could contact me at:

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@JYoungpoker xxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com or xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
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I didn't hear from you, so on 8/7/13 I sent you a screenshot of my email accounts showing that I was still waiting on your email replies:

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@JYoungpoker Screenshot of my 2 email accounts- still have not heard from you pic.twitter.com/h5LdIJ7tny

Then on 8/8/13 you finally responded via email:

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What's going on man- I didn't have any emails hopefully we finally touch base- hadn't been back on 2+2 since the site crashed don't even have my log in info at this point. Opened a business and had a baby in the past year- liquid $ is tight at the moment but I obv you... Moneymaker owes me 25k that I'm working on getting he's supposed to be shipping $ off stars at the next ept whenever that is. So gimme a few weeks to see how that pans out and if he doesn't come through ill ship something over to ya to just get the ball rolling. I literally am working 7 days 16+ hours a day at my restaurant and spend all of the other time with my daughter so when I know you got this ill shoot u my # so u can just text me cuz I'm not always checking email etc


I wrote back on 8/9/13:

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My cell is xxx xxx xxxx. I don't mind working out a payment plan if money is tight these days- I'm pretty broke myself, which is why I need to collect on this. Talk to you soon.

-Assani

And thats the last I've heard from you since aejones linked me to this thread.





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the site went down and I never went back on, thread was dead and he contacted me 15 months later. That was a bet between us, and had nothing to do with a third party. He didn't contact me, how can I pay someone that I don't know who it even is.
Just so I'm understanding here....

You made a bet with me on 2p2. 2p2 went down for about a week. You concluded that there was no possible way of finding me or settling up in any way. Is that correct?




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I know everyone likes drama and conspiracies but my financial situation now has been already discussed, he is owed $ I responded with an email stating I acknowledged it. If this would have been brought to my attention earlier it would have 100% been taken care of already- as for right now it will be handled asap.
I feel as if arguing with you will only hurt my chances of getting paid, so I won't bother posting here much more. As soon as I am paid, I will mention it in this thread so that your reputation can be cleared. The best way to contact me is via twitter or 2p2 PM.

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Old 10-29-2013, 07:03 PM   #544
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503)

Big ups to Chris and Jason for resolving this matter.
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Jason's "oh twoplustwo got shut down I don't know what happened to it" defense is pretty hilarious.
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:11 PM   #546
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What is the restaurant where you invested in?
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I think this is a little over-the-top. He isn't required to disclose such personal information to a message board regardless of the circumstances.
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:12 PM   #547
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Jason Young confirmed super shady character... saddest thing is that this is the regular kind of guy in the poker/gambling world.


nothing should have been paid imo, and more people should have come out and outted him and his debts
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Jason's "oh twoplustwo got shut down I don't know what happened to it" defense is pretty hilarious.
yes, all went to hell and we had a brand new world after it.
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:18 PM   #549
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Solid analysis by Kilowatt. Bet is void. CM should take a step back before he considers paying this a$$ clown a dime. How many more people are going to come forward with charges of scumbaggery by JY. Let this play out a little longer before shipping anything to anyone.
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Cliffs:

Moneymaker owes Jason ~20k from sports betting on credit with Jason's "bookie."

Jason owes Sheets and several others money from sports betting with Jason's "bookie."

"Bookie" conveniently disappeared right when Jason decided to pour all of his money into some ****ty restaurant.

Moneymaker found out Jason is unable to pay people and thus didn't want to pay him based on the fact that Jason is insolvent and wouldn't have paid MM had he won his bets.

Somehow Sheets and others convince MM to pay up anyway so they can get their money owed. Everything is "resolved."

Jason is super shady.

/cliffs
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