Ok, nobody here owes anybody else anything. Doesn't change the fact that his silence on the matter speaks volumes.

Edit: Well, except for Borovetz, he owes a lot of people $200.

Point is, what do you want the guy to say?

If Mike was putting any tourney wins into Chase bank after scamming for the tourney buyin, Chase bank wouldn't be giving you an explanation either.

If Mike scammed someone, then hit big with that money and gave Allen the winnings to hold, and the person that was scammed went to Allen wanting his money back & Allen refused, then maybe the right thing to do would be to give some sort of statement. But that's a lot of if's.

Mike is a scumbag & hated by a lot of people. But if Allen decides to hold money to help keep his friend out of the pits, that's an agreement between them. It has nothing to do with you, and it doesn't make Allen responsible for Mike's debts.

get real. I totally agree with Allen, whats the point in posting in a thread when the thread subject is banned….

Mike is still posting on here everyday. Don't kid yourself.

I think you're one of the Einsteins that claimed I was Mike at one point. I'm guessing Mike has a few more pressing matters than rattling the trolls cages around here..


Stay Strong Mike.

You have to be strong, before you can stay strong.

That aside, I don't think he should be banned. Why do we read these forums? Entertainment, amusement and information. Nobody can credibly claim this thread isn't amusing and entertaining at the very least. Did he somehow break forum rules or is he just banned because he is a scummy degen who begs at airports and has a criminal record?

If indeed Allen is holding money for Mike, then he is involved in a crime IMO and I'm pretty sure what he is doing is illegal. If Mike scams $200 from someone, I would consider that money stolen. If you give someone the stolen money to hold on to, than this person is in possession of stolen property... or maybe guilty of something to do with being in possession of the "proceeds of crime" or whatever. Maybe one of the laywers could say for certain since I'm no expert on the subject.

If Mike was a pick-pocket who then gave all the stolen wallets for Allen to "hold on to", then Allen would certainly be doing something immoral and illegal.

If Mike robbed a bank and then gave all the stolen money to Allen, then I think it's clear that Allen is doing something wrong and illegal.

In principle, I don't see any difference between holding money that was stolen through a scam compared to holding money that was stolen during a robbery.

If Allen is actually profiting off of this somehow, then it's even worse.

If Allen is doing this because he thinks he's helping and is doing it just to be a nice guy, then I think he is being foolish to involve himself with a criminal and his criminal activities.

Imagine everything was being filmed by police... Mike scams someone for $200. Police catch this on film. Mike takes the $200 and gives it to Allen. Police get that on film. Looks pretty bad for Allen. Espeically since Allen knows that this money was scammed from one of Mike's victims. He couldn't claim to be ignorant to the fact that he was possessing stolen property.

The above is correct.

Also, by the same token, if Allen is enabling Mike to continue his scamming ways then he should also be banned from these forums.

Unless he's charged with a crime, or unless somebody proves he's profiting off this, then no to everything you posted.

So if Mike robs a bank and gives the stolen money to Allen... then Allen isn't doing anything wrong because Allen isn't profiting from it? Or if Mike hasn't been charged for the bank robbery crime because the police haven't gotten around to tracking him down yet, then Allen isn't doing anything wrong since Mike wasn't charged?

You seem to making the argument: It's not a crime if don't get caught and charged.

Whether or not Mike gets arrested and charged doesn't change the fact that Allen may be doing something illegal if he is involved with holding on to stolen money. Whether or not the money is laundered through the casino I think is also irrelevant.

That's not the same example you gave in your previous post, and that's not what's (I'm assuming) is happening with Allen & Mike.

If Mike scams, then gives that money directly to Allen, then sure, Allen has received stolen property. Generally speaking, if Allen returns that money to the rightful owner, then Allen is not guilty of the crime.

If Mike scams, then buys in to the tourney, the casino has received the stolen property, not Allen. If you want to claim Allen may then be guilty of some type of laundering offense if Mike cashes and has Allen hold onto the money, then okay, I'll give you that.

But let's be realistic here. Allen's not making money off of this. Maybe lunch money or cab fare to Mike's hotel, but no way is homeless Mike just handing Allen any meaningful amount just for holding onto his money. Mike has already shown how selfish he is in his ways. I'd be willing to bet that Mike would keep track of how much Allen is holding, and if that amount is in dispute by 4 dollars, that he'd throw a tantrum and unfriend him that minute and demand all his money back instantly.


Allen is not the bad guy here, he doesn't deserve to get thrown in front of the bus.

I believe that he stated that he won't respond in this thread because the subject of the thread is not able to respond.

Bad assumption. You can't infer anything from his silence.

Tell us again about how there are no laws against defrauding an innkeeper. That's one of my favorites.

Last warning to stop using this thread to bitch about moderation issues when we have a thread, a PM system, and ATF where you can do just that.

I am guessing if there is a dispute of 4 cents... homeless Mike takes whatever there is and bails. This guy is beyond a trainwreck..

I don't have a cite to hand, but I've worked in the field in the uk for many years. For the last ten years or so, we've had a programme where our police forces identify the 20 most prolific drug related offenders in their given areas, subject them to intensive scrutiny and then they either go into intensive drug treatment or they're in jail.

Google PPO (Prolific and Priority Offenders) to learn more.

Let me know where you read that Mike would give his scam money to Allen?

I have actually read most of the posts here and Mike was talking about giving Allen his money to hold on to when he would bink a tournament.

Let's say that Mike scams 9 people for $200 each. Each of these 9 times, he takes the $200 and enters into a poker tournament and doesn't cash. With the money he scams from the 10th person, he enters a poker tournament and cashes for $2,000. He then gives this $2,000 to Allen.

From my perspective, there is not a whole lot of difference between giving Allen the scamming money directly, or giving the scamming money to Allen after it has been laundered through a casino.

And again, Allen is well aware that all the money he recieves from Mike was initally scammed from someone.

So if Mike gives Allen $5,000 one day... Allen knows that Mike probably must have scammed maybe $8,000 from people over the previous few weeks before he finally binked this tournament.

edit: and i'm not saying that Allen is a bad guy. in all likelihood, he's not profiting off of this and he's just trying to help a friend I guess. but since he's not telling anyone exactly what is going on, i'm forced to speculate. but if this type of activity is still ongoing, then Allen should seriously reconsider his involvement with Mike and his stolen money... because I really think that helping Mike like this is not only immoral, but also likely illegal.

If I were Allen... I would take any money that Mike has given me and do my best to return it to people Mike has scammed. There is a long list of people on that scam site who would probably like their money back (plus that guy who posts here who has a friend that got scammed).

Put it this way, if Mike scammed me, I would track down Mike to get my money back. If Mike didn't have any money on him, I would track down Allen and get the money out of Allen if indeed Allen is holding onto some of Mike's money.

If Mike owed me money, and Allen owed Mike money (holding onto his money).... then Allen would therefore owe me money and I would collect from Allen.

I always laugh when anyone in this thread posts anything about Mike "staying strong". You've actually got to try to be something first before you can stay that way.

Mike recognizes his airport scam is wrong and he has problems. I'm not an addiction expert but it seems to me admitting you have a problem is the first step in recovery. Mike admits to having problems and I'm hoping he stays strong to continue down the right path…


Stay Strong Mike.

Mike admits that he has a problem so that you (assuming that you're not Mike) and every other sucker will feel sorry for him so that he can continue his scam. Mike hasn't been strong for a minute of his sad life.

I don't follow your line of thinking…why does it make me a sucker to want Mike to get help and turn his life around?

I think people like you and many on here feel better about yourselves when you hear Mike's story and others like mike…The longer mike struggles the longer and better you feel about your own lives…I think you need to look inward about yourself instead of focusing so much negative energy on mikes life.

Stay Strong Mike...

Lol! Your psychobabble actually made me laugh. Nice analysis Dr. Phil. You're a sucker because you keep falling for the same old **** that Mike keeps shoveling. He claims he's done, turning his life around, then someone catches him scamming again, and Mike comes back on here to give his line of Bull again. He's nothing but a simple con artist, and you're a sucker for falling for his lies. Oh, and again, Mike's never been strong in his whole pathetic loser of a life.

Mike has articulated his journey and how he got to where he is today very well. It's not a huge leap to say he has burned many if not all bridges including several on 2+2.

My only insight into Mikes life like you is only what he has told us on here. It seems to me he has these "relapse's" as he calls it because he has nothing or no where else to turn, mainly, if not solely because he burned these bridges.

Maybe we can agree on this, Without help Mikes cycle's will continue.


Stay Strong Mike...