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Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14 Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14

08-14-2014 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_seboks_luck
I don't have a cite to hand, but I've worked in the field in the uk for many years. For the last ten years or so, we've had a programme where our police forces identify the 20 most prolific drug related offenders in their given areas, subject them to intensive scrutiny and then they either go into intensive drug treatment or they're in jail.

Google PPO (Prolific and Priority Offenders) to learn more.
Someday . . .

See Mom, I told you I was top 20.
08-14-2014 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
Look who's talking - I knew it had to be you as the cause of me not being able to participate in the blackjack freeroll. So let's see, you wanted proof of an email from my host just because. I sent it to you and then you call up the host and tell him about the thread to get him to pull the invitation(which he did). Of course you lie and say the only thing you spoke with him about was if he really did send that email to me. You can call me names all you want but your actions show you are also a scumbag. Should have gone with my gut and never took the bait from you. Oh well, lesson learned.
you dont realize that the rest of the world is happy about this, you have been a drain on society for to long and deserve everything you have coming your way, its hilarious that you just try to write things off as "just another ******* behind a keyboard hating another innocent victim"


you should be in jail for a year, remember how you were b1tching about the rehabs only being a month, well go get caught robbing a bank and do the rest of the world a favor

i cant believe anyone who has read this would continue to offer you help, you dont deserve any of it, and will likely just burn anyone who does eventually, if allen reads how you are still scamming at the airport and still offers help then...........
08-14-2014 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by artisan
Ok I will help you out here. That guy started off trying to be nice and genuinely offering support to Mike. Now there have been developments that show how unrelenting the scammer is he has decided to keep saying it to wind you all up without having to change his story and at the same time amuse himself.
While I agree I have not changed my support for Mike. I'm at a loss why people disagree with me…if Mike got the help he needed he'd stop scamming people. I sense people don't want that to happen because they get a chubby trolling Mike and want to continue to do so.


Stay even Stronger Mike….
08-14-2014 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerFan2008
While I agree I have not changed my support for Mike. I'm at a loss why people disagree with me…if Mike got the help he needed he'd stop scamming people. I sense people don't want that to happen because they get a chubby trolling Mike and want to continue to do so.


Stay even Stronger Mike….
You don't see that the fact that he is a degenerate gambler is separate from the fact that he is a scamming criminal, or you're just trolling (which seems much more likely given your posts thus far). There are plenty of degenerate gamblers who aren't criminals and plenty of criminals who aren't degenerate gamblers. Borovetz just happens to be both. He could get a manual labor job combined with public assistance and continue to be a degenerate gambler without scamming, he doesn't because he's a criminal who has no desire to do real work when he can get an easy score by scamming. Conversely, he could be "cured" of his gambling addiction, yet still continue to scam because he's a lazy ass who doesn't want to get a real job.
08-14-2014 , 11:01 PM
OK....So we are finally in agreement....
1) Scamming...Bad
2) Degenerate Gambling....Bad
3) Bullying less fortunate people on the internet in a mean spirited way...Bad
08-15-2014 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jman220
You don't see that the fact that he is a degenerate gambler is separate from the fact that he is a scamming criminal, or you're just trolling (which seems much more likely given your posts thus far). There are plenty of degenerate gamblers who aren't criminals and plenty of criminals who aren't degenerate gamblers. Borovetz just happens to be both. He could get a manual labor job combined with public assistance and continue to be a degenerate gambler without scamming, he doesn't because he's a criminal who has no desire to do real work when he can get an easy score by scamming. Conversely, he could be "cured" of his gambling addiction, yet still continue to scam because he's a lazy ass who doesn't want to get a real job.
When did his interview with Chicago Joey he sounded normal almost remorseful and it looked maybe he would at least put in a real effort of trying to go straight, but he is lazy and not in a good way. Shoot he would be less of a burden on society if he collected welfare and never worked again. The court costs of pro bono lawyers and jail/prison time are higher than welfare payments. I think like Lindgren, Brad Booth and to a lesser extent Chino Rheem he tried to get heat off him from poker players by coming clean. I really don't think he was ever serious about quitting gambling he is too mentally weak to quit. All he has to look at the results and realize his pit addiction is too strong for an +ev poker gambling(if he is + ev).
08-15-2014 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lefty rosen
When did his interview with Chicago Joey he sounded normal almost remorseful and it looked maybe he would at least put in a real effort of trying to go straight, but he is lazy and not in a good way. Shoot he would be less of a burden on society if he collected welfare and never worked again. The court costs of pro bono lawyers and jail/prison time are higher than welfare payments. I think like Lindgren, Brad Booth and to a lesser extent Chino Rheem he tried to get heat off him from poker players by coming clean. I really don't think he was ever serious about quitting gambling he is too mentally weak to quit. All he has to look at the results and realize his pit addiction is too strong for an +ev poker gambling(if he is + ev).
I think this is exactly right. Also I agree that he almost certainly can't be a +ev poker player. One of the most important skills in poker is impulse control. The ability to not go on tilt. The ability to sit there and fold almost every hand for hours when you are card dead, the ability to lay down hands when you are almost certainly beat. I seriously doubt he has that ability with his zero impulse control.
08-15-2014 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGreenMagi
So if Mike robs a bank and gives the stolen money to Allen... then Allen isn't doing anything wrong because Allen isn't profiting from it?
He is an accomplice to the crime, is he not?

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Originally Posted by William Murderface
That's not the same example you gave in your previous post, and that's not what's (I'm assuming) is happening with Allen & Mike.

If Mike scams, then gives that money directly to Allen, then sure, Allen has received stolen property. Generally speaking, if Allen returns that money to the rightful owner, then Allen is not guilty of the crime.
He is still guilty of a crime.It is just that because he has returned it, there is no public interest to prosecute.
08-15-2014 , 02:28 PM
Jman, Please stop referring to Mike as a criminal. That would be like calling anyone on this site who received a speeding ticket a criminal. Let us reserve the use of the word criminal for those who are committing real and serious crimes. When, Johnny Chan heard about this situation, he did not say "OMG Mike, You a criminal. You must stop this immediately. He just laughed it off. Why can't you do the same?
Mike was on his way to trying to change his ways when this thread came out. In a way, some of you people have helped to derail his recovery efforts by your words and actions.
I still do not understand why you poker people would not want to help a fellow poker player and fellow American. Expain.
08-15-2014 , 02:47 PM
Michael obv has problems, but the more disturbing part of this thread is how much time you trolls are spending posting about him in this thread. All of your simple minded semantics are pathetic, and you posting in this thread ten times a day for weeks on end makes your life look sadder than his.

Mike is probably laughing at you all. You people that won't let this die come off as miserable human beings that are only posting here because his sad life makes you feel better about your miserable existence.

Just look in the mirror who is more pathetic mike because he scams to help his gambling problem, Or you a bunch of trolls that spend their entire day/weeks speculating on how scummy he is. You are seriously wasting your lives worse than he is, and you really should not feel superior to him because at this point you have lowered yourselves to a level sadder than his life could ever be.

We should start a thread on how pathetic you trolls are then your semantics could go on forever. Ignorant donkies to name a few Yappinyoda jman220(toolman220) and mchine and a bunch of others Get a life, or at least stop trying to live vicariously through mikes life.
08-15-2014 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mchine
Jman, Please stop referring to Mike as a criminal. That would be like calling anyone on this site who received a speeding ticket a criminal. Let us reserve the use of the word criminal for those who are committing real and serious crimes. When, Johnny Chan heard about this situation, he did not say "OMG Mike, You a criminal. You must stop this immediately. He just laughed it off. Why can't you do the same?
Mike was on his way to trying to change his ways when this thread came out. In a way, some of you people have helped to derail his recovery efforts by your words and actions.
I still do not understand why you poker people would not want to help a fellow poker player and fellow American. Expain.
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Originally Posted by youshameusitalians
Michael obv has problems, but the more disturbing part of this thread is how much time you trolls are spending posting about him in this thread. All of your simple minded semantics are pathetic, and you posting in this thread ten times a day for weeks on end makes your life look sadder than his.

Mike is probably laughing at you all. You people that won't let this die come off as miserable human beings that are only posting here because his sad life makes you feel better about your miserable existence.

Just look in the mirror who is more pathetic mike because he scams to help his gambling problem, Or you a bunch of trolls that spend their entire day/weeks speculating on how scummy he is. You are seriously wasting your lives worse than he is, and you really should not feel superior to him because at this point you have lowered yourselves to a level sadder than his life could ever be.

We should start a thread on how pathetic you trolls are then your semantics could go on forever. Ignorant donkies to name a few Yappinyoda jman220(toolman220) and mchine and a bunch of others Get a life, or at least stop trying to live vicariously through mikes life.
These are two of the best post in this thread in a long long time…

Stay Strong Mike...
08-15-2014 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by youshameusitalians
Michael obv has problems, but the more disturbing part of this thread is how much time you trolls are spending posting about him in this thread. All of your simple minded semantics are pathetic, and you posting in this thread ten times a day for weeks on end makes your life look sadder than his.

Mike is probably laughing at you all. You people that won't let this die come off as miserable human beings that are only posting here because his sad life makes you feel better about your miserable existence.

Just look in the mirror who is more pathetic mike because he scams to help his gambling problem, Or you a bunch of trolls that spend their entire day/weeks speculating on how scummy he is. You are seriously wasting your lives worse than he is, and you really should not feel superior to him because at this point you have lowered yourselves to a level sadder than his life could ever be.

We should start a thread on how pathetic you trolls are then your semantics could go on forever. Ignorant donkies to name a few Yappinyoda jman220(toolman220) and mchine and a bunch of others Get a life, or at least stop trying to live vicariously through mikes life.
Hey, if you're gonna attempt to insult me, at least spell my name right. Then I can feel better about going back and living my life vicariously through Mike, though I'm not really sure how I'm doing that. Either way, I really value your opinion, thanks for sharing!
08-15-2014 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
I think this is exactly right. Also I agree that he almost certainly can't be a +ev poker player. One of the most important skills in poker is impulse control. The ability to not go on tilt. The ability to sit there and fold almost every hand for hours when you are card dead, the ability to lay down hands when you are almost certainly beat. I seriously doubt he has that ability with his zero impulse control.
Donkaments, not cash games. In donkaments you cant just sit there and fold forever.
08-15-2014 , 05:03 PM
Lol people still posting in this thread....
08-15-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by johnstumper
Lol people still posting in this thread....
Stay strong, thread.
08-15-2014 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
at least spell my name right
Stay strong, FappingYoda.
08-15-2014 , 05:57 PM
It looks like Mike has taken over this thread with phony accounts.
08-15-2014 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mchine
Jman, Please stop referring to Mike as a criminal. That would be like calling anyone on this site who received a speeding ticket a criminal. Let us reserve the use of the word criminal for those who are committing real and serious crimes. When, Johnny Chan heard about this situation, he did not say "OMG Mike, You a criminal. You must stop this immediately. He just laughed it off. Why can't you do the same?
Mike was on his way to trying to change his ways when this thread came out. In a way, some of you people have helped to derail his recovery efforts by your words and actions.
I still do not understand why you poker people would not want to help a fellow poker player and fellow American. Expain.
A person who recieves a speeding ticket is not a criminal. A person who has stolen, by false pretenses and false promises, likely 6 figures from hundreds of people over a decade, is definitely a criminal. The two aren't even close. I don't look to Johnny Chan as my moral compass. I am not trying to derail his recovery efforts, his recovery effort is completely separate and apart from his continuing criminal activities.
08-15-2014 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by afwoods
Donkaments, not cash games. In donkaments you cant just sit there and fold forever.
I never said I was good at poker. I still doubt Mike is a long term winner in donkaments either.
08-15-2014 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MinusEV
Stay strong, FappingYoda.
HaHa!!! I get it! You changed the spelling of my user name to make a joke! Wow, that's hilarious!!!
08-15-2014 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
HaHa!!! I get it! You changed the spelling of my user name to make a joke! Wow, that's hilarious!!!
Dude...

Spoiler:
08-15-2014 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MinusEV
Dude...

Spoiler:
If you were to look up "troll" in the dictionary, the definition would look pretty much like this. Also, if you look up "tool", amazingly you'll get the same definition also.
08-16-2014 , 04:17 AM
Such trolls
08-16-2014 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by youshameusitalians
Michael obv has problems, but the more disturbing part of this thread is how much time you trolls are spending posting about him in this thread. All of your simple minded semantics are pathetic, and you posting in this thread ten times a day for weeks on end makes your life look sadder than his.

Mike is probably laughing at you all. You people that won't let this die come off as miserable human beings that are only posting here because his sad life makes you feel better about your miserable existence.

Just look in the mirror who is more pathetic mike because he scams to help his gambling problem, Or you a bunch of trolls that spend their entire day/weeks speculating on how scummy he is. You are seriously wasting your lives worse than he is, and you really should not feel superior to him because at this point you have lowered yourselves to a level sadder than his life could ever be.

We should start a thread on how pathetic you trolls are then your semantics could go on forever. Ignorant donkies to name a few Yappinyoda jman220(toolman220) and mchine and a bunch of others Get a life, or at least stop trying to live vicariously through mikes life.
Ok....Let me get this straight.....A guy insults people and calls them pathetic for posting in this thread WHILE he is posting in the same thread.
08-16-2014 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mchine
Jman, Please stop referring to Mike as a criminal. That would be like calling anyone on this site who received a speeding ticket a criminal. Let us reserve the use of the word criminal for those who are committing real and serious crimes. When, Johnny Chan heard about this situation, he did not say "OMG Mike, You a criminal. You must stop this immediately. He just laughed it off. Why can't you do the same?
Mike was on his way to trying to change his ways when this thread came out.
If I tell Johnny Chan about my speeding ticket and he laughs it off, do I still have to pay it?

Perhaps Johnny Chan was just laughing at the dope who was trying to impress him with his little scam. Perhaps he was laughing at the idiots who would believe such a guy pulling an obvious scam. Perhaps he finds the concept of generosity hilarious. In any case, I'm not sure how Johnny Chan's sense of humor (or more specifically, Mike's story about it) replaces the criminal code. People commit stupid/laughable crimes all the time that make the "Dumb Criminals" section of the paper; that doesn't count as a defense.

And I believe this thread came out immediately after he tried to scam somebody in an airport, which doesn't quite sound like he was trying to change his ways all that hard.

      
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