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View Poll Results: Who will win the Durrrr Challenge II?
Tom "Durrrr" Dwan
1,577 41.89%
Daniel "Jungleman12" Cates
2,188 58.11%

08-30-2010 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by oKroPoiD
next stage of durrrr challenge should be isildur vs jungleman imo
isildur raped him pretty hard, don't think jm would really want that match. I really doubt anyone wants isidur in hu nlhe, in PLO sure, but in nlhe he was so insane.
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08-30-2010 , 08:30 PM
Anyone wanna take a small bet (~30$) on jungle? I'll lay 0.7:1 (my 30 to your 42)

Last edited by IPlayDonkaments; 08-30-2010 at 08:30 PM. Reason: im betting durrrr ftr
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08-30-2010 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by IPlayDonkaments
Anyone wanna take a small bet (~30$) on jungle? I'll lay 0.7:1 (my 30 to your 42)

booked if i am reading this right and i get jm.
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08-30-2010 , 08:36 PM
analysis on todays session by galfond on pokerstatic

http://www.viddler.com/explore/pokerstatic/videos/104/
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08-30-2010 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ketlar
analysis on todays session by galfond on pokerstatic

http://www.viddler.com/explore/pokerstatic/videos/104/
Thanks alot for this!
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08-30-2010 , 08:45 PM
galfond the legend
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08-30-2010 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Thappers
Actually, there is one straight that cannot be made with T5.



As for the challenge. I don't know man, feels like Dwan caught Jungleman while he's peaking man. I don't know man..
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08-30-2010 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Probability
booked if i am reading this right and i get jm.
booked and sent.
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08-30-2010 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Foldemlow
You're so dumb I'm not even sure why I'm replying.
I never said it was a good play, or a bad play for that matter.

What I said was that you had no ****ing idea whether it was either and that your speaking about it with the projected assurance of someone who plays at their level and understands all the intricacies going into that level of play (which would be necessary to make a correct judgement on that play) is laughable, because you see, contrary to me, you did state with extreme confidence that no good argument could be made in favor of that play.

I never said "it's gotta be correct, it's Durrrr"

In fact, in my first post you replied to, I said "Whether it actually is +EV to make that call is clearly debatable..."

Do you understand how this differs from "its gotta be correct, hes durrrr"?

Do you? Can you read? Can you understand what you read?

These are rethorical questions, btw. Look up the word...

LOL . Calling with J2o is definitely a bad play. Maybe if he's trying to go for some metagame/ mess up his perceived range, etc... then maybe it's not that bad. And BTW even though Durrrr plays 200/400 doesn't mean he's 100 times better than someone who plays 2/4. And from the looks of things Durrr isn't even really that good... I actually doubt he's any better than the average 10/20 (nonbumhunting) reg.
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08-30-2010 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by digeri
And from the looks of things Durrr isn't even really that good... I actually doubt he's any better than the average 10/20 (nonbumhunting) reg.
You're obviously more than qualified to make that assessment, so I guess I can't really say anything.

It's not people like Durrrr whose talent and self-confidence I envy, it's those of people like you.

My hero.
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08-30-2010 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by digeri
LOL . Calling with J2o is definitely a bad play. Maybe if he's trying to go for some metagame/ mess up his perceived range, etc... then maybe it's not that bad. And BTW even though Durrrr plays 200/400 doesn't mean he's 100 times better than someone who plays 2/4. And from the looks of things Durrr isn't even really that good... I actually doubt he's any better than the average 10/20 (nonbumhunting) reg.
is that u daliman
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08-30-2010 , 09:12 PM
**** I keep missing the battles!!
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08-30-2010 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by digeri
LOL . Calling with J2o is definitely a bad play. Maybe if he's trying to go for some metagame/ mess up his perceived range, etc... then maybe it's not that bad. And BTW even though Durrrr plays 200/400 doesn't mean he's 100 times better than someone who plays 2/4. And from the looks of things Durrr isn't even really that good... I actually doubt he's any better than the average 10/20 (nonbumhunting) reg.
lol its started.

in before a million more people chime in saying durrr's not actually that good, and if they had the roll they could prob beat him.
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08-30-2010 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Foldemlow
You're obviously more than qualified to make that assessment, so I guess I can't really say anything.

It's not people like Durrrr whose talent and self-confidence I envy, it's those of people like you.

My hero.

Dude, he probably just misclicked or tilt called with J2o. Everyone and his brother, including Durrrr himself and his bro raptor, will tell you that this was unequivocally a terrible preflop call.
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08-30-2010 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vega66
lol its started.

in before a million more people chime in saying durrr's not actually that good, and if they had the roll they could prob beat him.
Dude, I never said Durrr wasn't good. I just say that, in late 2010, his reputation exceeds his actual skills compared to the competition.
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08-30-2010 , 09:25 PM
if you took at 25/50 hu player with a winrate of 2ptbb over infinite hands who folded J2o OOP every time and made him call J2o OOP 20% of the time, the drop in winrate over infinite hands would be insignificant imunqualifiedo.
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08-30-2010 , 09:27 PM
I want a small bet for sweat my $40 (durrrr) to your $50 (jungleman) pm me if interested
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08-30-2010 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ketlar
analysis on todays session by galfond on pokerstatic

http://www.viddler.com/explore/pokerstatic/videos/104/
When Phil is saying that it is going to be hard for durrrr to make a comeback, with 44k hands left to go, is that the same thing as saying that JM12 is the better player?
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08-30-2010 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dmark17
I want a small bet for sweat my $40 (durrrr) to your $50 (jungleman) pm me if interested
booked, will pm now.
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08-30-2010 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by goosty
When Phil is saying that it is going to be hard for durrrr to make a comeback, with 44k hands left to go, is that the same thing as saying that JM12 is the better player?
No, it's saying that it's tough to recover psychologically from being down that much after 15% of the challenge is already over against a top opponent.

It's saying that the psychological disadvantage is compounded with the fact that you have to come back from a significant deficit, which would be true for anyone.

Durrrr obviously thrives on adversity though, so I wouldn't be surprised if this could actually have the reverse effect on him.
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08-30-2010 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by goosty
When Phil is saying that it is going to be hard for durrrr to make a comeback, with 44k hands left to go, is that the same thing as saying that JM12 is the better player?
Yes... I really don't understand the questioning right now and I want to get flamed for this post and I don't know how to say it properly so I'm going to make an assumption over 28k or whatever hands they've played so far. (including the hands not in the challenge)


Jungleman is a better player than Durrrr and HUNL. He is better. He is better.
He's going to win. (I'll take bets if someone reputable escrows at the market price right now) All of you saying LOL sample size at 28k are delusional.... I mean what's more likely: Jungleman just running so hot and Durrrr running bad or maybe just maybe it can be oh well Jungleman has an edge.


Everyone in poker wants to chop everything up to varience all the time, but the truth is even at small sample sizes possible trends occur and are right a good amount of the time. I also hate hearing that Durrrr will adjust blah blah, so you're saying Jungleman can't readjust if he does that? Durrrr hasn't made adjustments already? I'd like to think these guys can make adjustments within a 200 hand span and less. There's adjustments and leveling going on throughout and Jungleman has still had the upper hand.

Durrrr made this challenge when he A) probably had an edge over almost anyone (at least in HUNL) and B) was really banking on 4+ tabling being an edge for him. Well a year later things changed and neither A or B are true anymore.


FTR I'm not saying Durrrr is a bad player (obviously nobody can) and that he can't get back on top. But as of now he's not the best HUNL player anymore and Jungleman could be. Needless to say the conclusion of this challenge is going to put Jungleman on top of the food chain where I can already see it's foregone.



/rant
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08-30-2010 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by digeri
And from the looks of things Durrr isn't even really that good...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaBo5eHEkeY
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08-30-2010 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by digeri
Dude, I never said Durrr wasn't good.
..

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Originally Posted by digeri
And from the looks of things Durrr isn't even really that good...
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08-30-2010 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by digeri
And BTW even though Durrrr plays 200/400 doesn't mean he's 100 times better than someone who plays 2/4. And from the looks of things Durrr isn't even really that good... I actually doubt he's any better than the average 10/20 (nonbumhunting) reg.
You're either leveling or ******ed.
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08-30-2010 , 09:49 PM
******ed, co-signed
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