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*** Durrrr Challenge: Stage II; Daniel "Jungleman12" Cates - IN RUNNING THREAD *** *** Durrrr Challenge: Stage II; Daniel "Jungleman12" Cates - IN RUNNING THREAD ***
View Poll Results: Who will win the Durrrr Challenge II?
Tom "Durrrr" Dwan
1,577 41.89%
Daniel "Jungleman12" Cates
2,188 58.11%

08-30-2010 , 05:36 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...87/index6.html

That is the link to Jman (galfond) vs Boosted J's heads up battle at 25/50 3+ years ago.

After 1,200 hands JMAN was +$5,000
1,500 hands in it was dead even $0
3,000 hands in JMAN was -$45,000
6,500 hands in JMAN was +$15,000
11,500 hands in JMAN was +$32,000
16,000 hands in JMAN was +$50,000
18,000 hands in JMAN was +$90,000
21,000 hands in JMAN was +$20,000

So half-way through the match, both of them were within 5 buy-ins of each other, after each of them being up at least $45k (9 BIs) at one point. They ended up quitting and calling off the match.

My point: The swings in this are going to be absolutely nutso, and if anyone thinks these first few sessions indicate anything in either player's direction, you're insane. It'd be ridiculous for anyone to jump to ANY kind of conclusion at this point whatsoever.

Last edited by ArcadianSky; 08-30-2010 at 05:44 PM.
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08-30-2010 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...87/index6.html

That is the link to Jman (galfond) vs Boosted J's heads up battle at 25/50 3+ years ago.

After 1,200 hands JMAN was up 4 buy-ins
1,500 hands in it was dead even
3,000 hands in Boosted was up 9 buy-ins
6,500 hands in Boosted was up 3 buy-ins.
11,500 hands in JMAN was up 6.5 buy-ins
16,000 hands in JMAN was up 10 buy-ins
18,000 hands in JMAN was up 18 buy-ins
21,000 hands in JMAN was up 4 buy-ins

So not even half-way through the match, both of them were within 5 buy-ins of each other, after each of them being up atleast $45k (9 BIs) at one point. They ended up quitting and calling off the match.

My point: The swings in this are going to be absolutely nutso, and if anyone thinks these first few sessions indicate anything in either player's direction, you're insane. It'd be ridiculous for anyone to jump to ANY kind of conclusion at this point whatsoever.
I think you may be making the same fallacy you're claiming everyone else is making ducy?
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08-30-2010 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by maximose
These guys are so aggressive and bluff happy. You can play solid ABC poker and pick off these bluffs like peaches in Georgia. Really though, you put a guy like Chris Ferguson or Phil Gordon in this challenge and it wouldn't be close. (Unless Dwan ran like God.) Obviously I understand the money would be insignificant to Ferguson or Phil, Cuz of their books and highstake limit games etc., but it would be nice to see them crush.
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08-30-2010 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by karamazonk
I think you may be making the same fallacy you're claiming everyone else is making ducy?
LOL soooo true
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08-30-2010 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
+170ish
EV Graph pls
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08-30-2010 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...87/index6.html

That is the link to Jman (galfond) vs Boosted J's heads up battle at 25/50 3+ years ago.

After 1,200 hands JMAN was up 4 buy-ins
1,500 hands in it was dead even
3,000 hands in Boosted was up 9 buy-ins
6,500 hands in Boosted was up 3 buy-ins.
11,500 hands in JMAN was up 6.5 buy-ins
16,000 hands in JMAN was up 10 buy-ins
18,000 hands in JMAN was up 18 buy-ins
21,000 hands in JMAN was up 4 buy-ins

So not even half-way through the match, both of them were within 5 buy-ins of each other, after each of them being up atleast $45k (9 BIs) at one point. They ended up quitting and calling off the match.

My point: The swings in this are going to be absolutely nutso, and if anyone thinks these first few sessions indicate anything in either player's direction, you're insane. It'd be ridiculous for anyone to jump to ANY kind of conclusion at this point whatsoever.

so based on a small sample of 7k hands no one should make any judgements?

but based on a HUUUUUUUUUGE sample of 21k hands we should see clearly that the durrrr/jungle challenge will have sick swings back and forth guaranteed and the lead will shift between them repeatedly right?


good to know.
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08-30-2010 , 05:45 PM
Session and overall number updated

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/poker-f...rrrr-challenge

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08-30-2010 , 05:45 PM
did they play anything after those 5k hands?
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08-30-2010 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by karamazonk
I think you may be making the same fallacy you're claiming everyone else is making ducy?
What am i "claiming"? I've said since post 1 that I think people will underestimate the swings in this match. I also was quoted as saying that "I don't think 50k hands will be enough to be a true indicator, unless one of them has a huge edge over the other, which I don't believe either do. At least they're running it twice to help battle variance".

I just don't think an 8 buy-in swing is a lot at all in this match (and the Jman/Boosted match is a testament to that)... although most are up in arms.

Last edited by ArcadianSky; 08-30-2010 at 05:56 PM.
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08-30-2010 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
so based on a small sample of 7k hands no one should make any judgements?

but based on a HUUUUUUUUUGE sample of 21k hands we should see clearly that the durrrr/jungle challenge will have sick swings back and forth guaranteed and the lead will shift between them repeatedly right?


good to know.
I said "don't jump to conclusions"

Of course if durrr is donk calling a 4-straight board with 7 high on the river, a judgment can be made about his play. But I'm really failing to understand why a lot of people in this thread are making statements like, "this is over", "this challenge is finished" (conclusive remarks). It's pure idiocy.

Like I said, I don't think many people in here believe either of them have a massive edge over the other (does anyone at these limits?)... yet there's dozens of replies in here failing to attribute variance to anything 7k hands in.
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08-30-2010 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sappie22
proof isildur1 is blom or gtfo and just call isildur isildur and not blom
lol easier to write, but u obv hope he is gaypoker cuz ur gay2. that said, fu
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08-30-2010 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
jungle play cole south at 5/1
? don't see them playing
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08-30-2010 , 06:02 PM
Curious to see the impact on the sessions running and FTP traffic spikes
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08-30-2010 , 06:05 PM
I would guess a negligible affect.
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08-30-2010 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky
What am i "claiming"? I've said since post 1 that I think people will underestimate the swings in this match. I also was quoted as saying that "I don't think 50k hands will be enough to be a true indicator, unless one of them has a huge edge over the other, which I don't believe either do. At least they're running it twice to help battle variance".

I just don't think an 8 buy-in swing is a lot at all in this match (and the Jman/Boosted match is a testament to that)... although most are up in arms.
62/38 for 7000 hands may be a pretty strong indicator of an edge.......not to mention previous matchups
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08-30-2010 , 06:26 PM
according to hsdb 956 hands jungleman +148K
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08-30-2010 , 06:33 PM
have a really really good feeling that this will be happening again tonight. the good thing is that its not like durrrr is countdown to busto. he had that +500k day playing omaha which i think could help his mentality knowing he is only 200k in the hole instead of 700k. i know it would help mine but im obv not a high stakes player




like i said, i think durrrr will have funds in his account tonight and be ready to go! lol
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08-30-2010 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Curious to see the impact on the sessions running and FTP traffic spikes
One of the many data requests I have into the FTP bean counters.
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08-30-2010 , 06:42 PM
It's got to be psychologically -EV to be constantly short online and having to split tables, reload, etc all the time. I thought the same thing during the isildur battles. Why doesn't durrrr just put like 50 BI's in his account and play?

Last edited by vaqerro; 08-30-2010 at 07:08 PM.
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08-30-2010 , 06:44 PM
Jungleman is such a beast, and he's prolly gonna win this challenge with a significant margin (like 2M or so)...
I think Jungleman vs Sauce or URnotINdanger2 would have been a closer match although its fun with the "Old king of nlhu" vs "New king of nlhu" aspect of the game
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08-30-2010 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jeun
I meant 25.000$ obviously
25.000$ isn't different than $25 DUCY?
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08-30-2010 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by D-Generation X
look man, it just didn't come to me, ok? sometimes it does, occasionally it doesn't. throw me a frikkin' bone here.
I've been playing professionally for years and I was dumbfounded for like 20 minutes by 9-high

It's actually pretty tricky.
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08-30-2010 , 06:48 PM


thread needs more shoops imo
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08-30-2010 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Birchinio
25.000$ isn't different than $25 DUCY?
it is in Euroland yo
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08-30-2010 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
FWF - which one would you pick?

(a) Durrrr playing badly
(b) Durrrr running bad/jungle running good
(c) Jungle playing well
(d) Durrrr did not send $0.02 to kidpoker
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