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08-30-2010 , 10:53 PM

#2051

LucidDream

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Originally Posted by gaurangpatel

true fkn moron, if those morons were better than durrrr they would sit in with him , no other test tells who is better, sit in with durrrrr if your 25/50 donks want to show who is best

according to this logic if bill gates challenges durrrr to HUNL 1bil/2bil and durrrr declines then bill gates is the best poker player in the world.

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08-30-2010 , 10:55 PM

#2052

SmokeyQ123

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Seriously Lucid I have no idea why you're arguing with these guys, they will never change their mind no matter how clearly you present your logic (which I agree with). It really is just wasted energy

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08-30-2010 , 10:58 PM

#2053

gaurangpatel

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Originally Posted by LucidDream

according to this logic if bill gates challenges durrrr to HUNL 1bil/2bil and durrrr declines then bill gates is the best poker player in the world.

makes no sense, we are not betting 99% of our bank roll on the smalll blind

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08-30-2010 , 11:00 PM

#2054

Joker88

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Originally Posted by gaurangpatel

makes no sense, we are not betting 99% of our bank roll on the smalll blind

Still don't understand the point, huh.

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08-30-2010 , 11:03 PM

#2055

gaurangpatel

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Originally Posted by Joker88

Still don't understand the point, huh.

explain it to me like im a ******, being serious

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08-30-2010 , 11:07 PM

#2056

Burcak

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Originally Posted by Foldemlow

That's exactly the kind of line of thinking Hellmuth takes when berating any player who stacks him.

People have been saying stuff like "raising 100% of hands from the button can't be a winning strategy, blah blah blah..." forever.

Truth is you have no idea whether this play is defendable or not, end of story.
Stop dropping statements with the assurance of one who has beaten the highest cash games for millions.

Funny thing is, I'm sure Ivey is not remotely close to your level of certainty in terms of whether this play can be profitable or not.

But you....that's another story, lol.

I am 100% sure defending J2o in a vacuum is not going to be profitable vs. someone of equal skill level. I don't care what you think Ivey thinks or what you think for that matter. Unless I start seeing poker in a radically different way my opinion won't change.

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08-30-2010 , 11:07 PM

#2057

BoterSmoter

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Originally Posted by DevinLake

i'm sure a lot of them would play durrrr if he'd sit at 25/50 or even 5/100. But, moving up to play him at 8x or greater your usual stake is going to take you out of your comfort zone when you probably aren't rolled for it, and definitely not use to the $ amount.

I've seen him playing tyme2gamb0l111 HU at 50/100 about a week ago so he is willing to play there.

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08-30-2010 , 11:11 PM

#2058

Joker88

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Originally Posted by gaurangpatel

explain it to me like im a ******, being serious

The point is that most probably don't sit with him because they don't have the proper bankroll for it. Comparing Negreanu at 50/100 or 100/200 to Dwan at 200/400 or 500/1000 is very different to a 25/50 regular.

In the former case, they are sitting with a player they think they have a big edge on at only double or 4x their regular stake. In the latter case, they would be sitting with a player they think they have an edge on, but it would obviously be a much smaller edge...at 8x or 20x their regular stakes. Do I really have to explain further?

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08-30-2010 , 11:11 PM

#2059

warboat

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I reckon if you beat Durrrr in a Durrrr challenge, you not only get the 3:1 action, but take Durrrr's spot on team Fulltilt and he gets booted out.

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08-30-2010 , 11:19 PM

#2060

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Originally Posted by Burcak

Nothing is more entertaining to me than watching people debate this. Clearly defending J2o is a huge mistake, if it weren't, one would basically be arguing that defending bottom 17th percentile hands is okay "from time to time just for deception purposes." Basically the only thing I've seen in this entire stream of hand histories that I've thought "whoa, that's clearly bad" is the J2o defense and then a winning poker player points out that this is clearly terrible and everybody goes crazy noting that durrrr is very good at poker. Yes, he is. And he has leaks. And J2o is one of them. It's really not more complicated than that.

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08-30-2010 , 11:21 PM

#2061

Joker88

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Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend

Blasphemy. Durrrr is God. All his plays are +EV...except if he's facing Isildur of course...then all of Isildur's plays are +EV and Durrrr is always wrong...yea

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08-30-2010 , 11:22 PM

#2062

lancelott_

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Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend

agree

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08-30-2010 , 11:23 PM

#2063

LucidDream

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJ

Seriously Lucid I have no idea why you're arguing with these guys, they will never change their mind no matter how clearly you present your logic (which I agree with). It really is just wasted energy

yea, i know. just been killing time on the internet waiting for something to come on TV i want to watch and for some reason this thread is like crack right now.

prob shouldnt bother even responding to gaurangpatel tho. he seems to just be a huge durrrr fanboy and to lack common sense at least in all things related to durrrr(sadly prob many others as well).

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08-30-2010 , 11:23 PM

#2064

Kim Jong 12

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Originally Posted by Joker88

Pretty sure lack of adequate bankroll is one roadblock.

money goes up in poker, the ones who are the best have the most money

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08-30-2010 , 11:27 PM

#2065

analoguesounds

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJ

God this thread is so ****ing ******ed. Is there a thread where just the hands and resiults are posted? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised but it's really ****ing lame that this has turned into NVG talking about how good nosebleed players may/may not be

probably not exactly what you want but:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...thread-862321/

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08-30-2010 , 11:27 PM

#2066

zoe.

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Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend

If it was ok, it wouldn't be ok simply for "deception purposes". If you win with the hand you influence your opponent's perspective of your play, and potentially confuse, distract or tilt him. If you lose, you once again influence your opponent's perspective of your play, forcing him to consider re-adjusting, calling down lighter etc. Arguably leveling, confusing your opponent, and putting him out of his comfort zone is very +ev, especially when he is forced to play you for a great length of time, and thus susceptible to over-analysis of his own game.

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08-30-2010 , 11:32 PM

#2067

TeddyKGB45

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Originally Posted by zoe.

I don't think FWF needs any coaching

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08-30-2010 , 11:36 PM

#2068

Burcak

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Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend

They should watch more Baluga videos imho ^^

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08-30-2010 , 11:37 PM

#2069

squashington

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zoe, you just used 100 words to describe deception

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08-30-2010 , 11:39 PM

#2070

Mich P Rich

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fwf itt

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08-30-2010 , 11:43 PM

#2071

KUR0SH

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Originally Posted by gaurangpatel

explain it to me im a ******, being serious

Heh, though you were trolling, but I guess this explains everything.

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08-30-2010 , 11:44 PM

#2072

Joey2714

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Originally Posted by zoe.

lol why argue with the one good high stakes player that has posted....

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08-30-2010 , 11:47 PM

#2073

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re: the J2o hand, I really think that it was a misclick pre. I mean i've had several hands where I mistakenly limp T4o or call 37o in the BB or w/e. Once he calls pre, he plays it perfectly/fine after that. Dunno why no one has considered the possibility of it being a misclick pre, surely even durrrrr in his spewiest form would realize that J2o is unplayable oop.