lolz on Frontier. just checked. $62 Roundtrip Charlotte to Vegas.

Not sure which is worse. WPT / Venetian execs deciding to go ahead with tourny

Or Frontier execs blowing out seats in a blatant and self serving attempt to not (finally) go bankrupt.

With facts known today, both set of execs should have their heads examined.

EDIT: US up to 1400, Italy just reported biggest one day jump.

I pulled my smallish money out 2 weeks ago.

It's somewhat concerning that the one major European country that isn't on Trump's banned travellers list is the one that is doing the least in terms of social distancing.
Here in Britain you can apparently no longer get tested for the virus unless you're a member of cabinet or a celebrity, or you're already desperately ill in hospital. The message from today's press conference appeared to be "If you have symptoms, stay at home. If you're fine, go to work, go to the football, go to the pub. Don't phone 111 unless you're dying."
"Keep calm and carry on" was a funny slogan once. It might not be the ideal philosophy at the time of a pandemic.

Other than staying out of all public buildings and public transportation you can either not leave home, or wear a mask every time you go into a public building. Otherwise you're rolling the dice.

My point is, no official word that it could stay in the air for up to 3 hours from anywhere, I have listened to a dozen + doctors talking about it.

So is this total bs or if it was true maybe they don't tell people because it would cause even more mass panic?

Insane

I continue to be baffled by what's going on with this outbreak with regards to how it’s being viewed by much of the public and by governments. I am fine with a cautious approach and there is somewhat of an "unknown" (or at least lesser-known) factor with COVID-19 that certainly leads to apprehension and even greater emphasis on caution. However, there is a point at which the hysteria causes its own destructive effects outside of the toll of the virus itself, and we are well past that point. There is also a point at which the reaction to COVID-19 will cause more damage than the virus itself. I don’t know if we are past that point yet. We really won’t be able to tell till the pandemic recedes. But to this point, 100s of trillions of dollars of wealth has disappeared almost overnight… and countless lives have been effected by the resultant hysteria... some in a minor way, but many is a severe and permanent way too. I ask myself is the hoopla (for lack of a better term) worth it?

I’m not sure there is a good answer for this question at this point. But I feel like the reaction to COVID-19 has been as novel as the virus itself. And I’m wondering why? The numbers about how many people are killed by infectious disease every year have been bandied about quite a bit in this forum and elsewhere as a reason not to panic. I have no interest in arguing that viewpoint for two reasons. A) in the midst of a panic, at least this one, there hardly seems to be much use in saying “don’t panic” and B) we don’t really know what the end result of COVID-19 is going to be. After all, its novel. But can we not look back at other outbreaks of novel diseases and compare what’s going on now to that?

This is the CDC summary page for the H1N1 outbreak a decade ago…

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html

Some of the figures they supply are estimates since you’re never going to get 100% accurate figures when it comes to illness. However, they give pretty broad ranges and I see no reason why we can’t trust their numbers. This passage in particular is striking…

“From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.”

Now, we are certainly only part way through the year with regards to COVID-19. And the numbers coming out our both murky and frightening. However, just look at those figures from H1N1 in the US… 274K hospitalizations… 12,500 deaths. Hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide. And the greatest effect appeared to be on normally healthy people. Talk about something to fear!

So in the US today, we stand at some 10,000 cases and 30 deaths. I’m not certain how many hospitalizations there have been, but with H1N1 the hospitalization rate was about .5% of cases. Even if we took some absurd multiple of that (say 10x), that means there have been about 500 COVID-19 hospitalizations. So, when all is said and done, thus far the COVID-19 outbreak in the US, compared to H1N1, has had 2/100ths of a percent the number of cases, 2/10ths of a percent the number of hospitalizations (using my very generous 10x factor), and 2/10ths of a percent the number of deaths.

Again, we don’t know what the COVID-19 numbers will look like in the end, and I favor a cautious approach. But we have seen unprecedented actions and reactions on the part of governments and now the private sector. And we have seen an already unprecedented toll on world economies (with more pain to come, I’m sure).

I don’t know what COVID-19 will look like from a health-toll in the end compared to H1N1. It may be better or worse (even a lot better, or a lot worse). But the global reaction to COVID-19 is many orders of magnitude different that the last pandemic. What has changed in 10 years?

The administration has completely fumbled this. Trump called it a hoax multiple times. Tons of mixed messages. We aren’t testing enough. There is so much uncertainty that venues are being forced to cancel until we know more. I believe this whole situation is entirely caused by inept leadership, likely because Trump has surrounded himself with “yes men” instead of competent people.

I’m also very biased in my views right now, so take that with a grain of salt.

It also doesn’t help that Saudi and Russia are dick waving gas prices which is part of the reason the market is tanking.

Two questions to those who know:

1. Is it possible for the coronavirus to cause influenza? If so, then we are really really ****ed.

2. What has caused more states to not be able to join Nevada, New Jersey, and Delaware under the wsop.com umbrella? If even just California could be legally included, an online wsop 2020 would really be viable in terms of very high participation.

Simple answers requested.

I'm unsure about your first question, a virus doesn't cause another virus afaik, you may get symptoms similar to that of the flu but it's not the actual influenza

You are comparing this to H1N1. H1N1 had around .02% mortality. This one is tough to calculate as the positive tests lag actual infections, but is certainly well north of 1%.

If you get to 60 million worldwide infections, you would then be talking about 600,000 deaths if it was only 1%. And 6 million or so hospitalized and needing ventilators (somewhere around 10% get really sick).

As for the intensity of the reaction, you need only look at Italy. The problem is if everyone gets it in a very short time span you have more seriously ill people than you have doctors, beds, or ventilators, and you get more deaths because you could not treat them.

And for those worrying about economic reactions to drastic measures, they should consider what the market looks like if countries underreact instead and then you get a huge outbreak and triage measures in major cities.

The economic impact will pass. Lets maybe try to save a few lives, huh?

it's not for 2 months
why would they cancel it now?

We would be even more ****ed if it caused measles. Or Ebola. But no, the COVID-19 virus causes the COVID-19 disease, not the flu, measles, or Ebola.

Sheldon Adleson and the Indian casino lobby, from what I understand.

I’ve seen no evidence that the spread of the virus in the US is at all due to people who have already tested positive ignoring or escaping from a quarantine order.

It is entirely due to people who have not yet been diagnosed unknowingly spreading the virus.

If we were able to effectively test everyone, that would solve 99% of this problem.

Italy is the likely cause of what are being interpreted as unnecessary and hyper-vigilant precautions. Italy's sort of proper ****ed at the moment and the reason why is they took too long to take proper precautions. Their hospitals are into overflow rooms and they're likely approaching a disaster scenario of healthcare professionals getting sick themselves.

The incubation period and potential onset of mild symptoms makes this virus especially deceptive.

In the UK the strategy of "let the disease move through the population" continues

XFL down now too. This sucks.

lol