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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

02-25-2014 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
god, only getting 27th place money would blow. two plus two folk have me nervous
Will never happen nor should you ever accept it.
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02-25-2014 , 09:18 PM
I didn't see anyone else post this link. If you are interested in hearing the opinion of someone that has experience and relevance...

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/0...n-la-17580.htm

My prediction: Borgata will distribute the remaining prize pool, and maybe a goodwill gesture to all entrants (resort credit, freeroll), but will not come out pocket the refund amount.

Also, these lawsuits will likely lock the prize pool up for an extended amount of time.
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02-25-2014 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipKatcher
Everyone who supports borgata fails to realize borgata can't tell who was affected who wasn't. That's why refunds will be given to all. And the fact the dge cancelled the event.
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Maybe CK can explain this theory to Mac Verstadig and he will retract his opinions. He must not be realizing these facts either.
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02-25-2014 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rzitup
Also, these lawsuits will likely lock the prize pool up for an extended amount of time.
This. I'm sure the 27 players that were remaining and potentially going to get some resolution fairly soon aren't too happy to see this legal claim. Not sure everyone in the community supports Mr. Musterel right now.

Haven't seen but would be pretty surprised if any of those 27 names are actually listed on the class action.
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02-25-2014 , 09:57 PM
Finally subbed. Is it worth it to go back and read anything?
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02-25-2014 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
If you guys are seriously arguing that Borgata should give refunds to 1a and 1c players on the grounds that there might have been extra cheaters, then why shouldn't they give refunds to those of us who might have played in the tournament but didn't? I've played at Borgata plenty of times, so why am I not entitled to a refund?

I'd also like pain and suffering compensation, because I'm feeling nervous about playing at Borgata now.
Given the shear number of claimants involved in the lawsuit, it seems that their mentality is that the whole tournament was compromised due to the fact that the Borgata was not fulfilling its responsibility to ensure a tournament that was safe, fair, and secure under their own regulations.

I wonder if it would be possible for them to research each tournament that Jeff L in the series to check for other "discrepancies" so they can then be sued by tens of thousands more people.

You are not entitled to a refund because there was likely not a well documented glaring security breach that was affecting your game. If there was, then lawyer up, it's the American way.
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02-25-2014 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RidgeRunner
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,4289185.story

Have never tried to post a link before so if that doesn't work just go to Baltimore Sun and scroll down to the Maryland section for article.
They tried to toss fake chips into a lake but they ended up to be floaters.
I also liked the other couple being sought for taking $1 chips from CharlesTown and turning them into $100 chips for Maryland Live.
CK probably wants to give everyone in the casino a refund.
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02-25-2014 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by donniccolo
Finally subbed. Is it worth it to go back and read anything?
Its worth going back and reading every post if you want to understand how we got to this point in the thread.
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02-25-2014 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
god, only getting 27th place money would blow. two plus two folk have me nervous
Pretty sure the remaining players will get a ICM chop. I don't think any of the remaining players should accept anything that is short of that.

Just curious what they will do with the other entrants that busted and not cashing. Even though most players that busted were not affected people love hand outs for what they don't deserve
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02-26-2014 , 12:07 AM
agree this class action suit is very bad news for the remaining 27. If I were 1 of the 27 I would start a suit for only themselves
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02-26-2014 , 12:13 AM
The 27 can opt out of the class, IF it gets certified. No point in another lawsuit.
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02-26-2014 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
The 27 can opt out of the class, IF it gets certified. No point in another lawsuit.
of course there is a point! their suit would be seeking the remaining prizepool not a refund.

this could go on for years now with this suit filed
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02-26-2014 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
Another counterfeit chip scandal, this time at @MarylandLive.
Husband and Wife Charged with Passing Counterfeit Chips at Maryland Live Casino
If Borgata should be required to pay all prizes and also to disperse full refunds to every player in their tournament, plus incidental costs, pain and suffering, and punitive damages, then I don't see why Maryland Live shouldn't be required to do the same. After all, both casinos were attacked by cheaters. In fact, one could argue that both casinos should make payments to the larger poker community to make amends. We should all receive vouchers for future tournaments. We all might have played in these tournaments, but didn't; why should the free money be limited to those who might have been cheated, but weren't? I'm starting to see the merits in the arguments advanced by the anti-Borgata crowd.

When you think about it, this is a problem that won't go away until all casinos post funds to an audited escrow account to compensate the players whenever the tournament is attacked by cheaters. The pool could cover prizes, refunds, and all other desires for both the victims and the duffers who simply busted out due to the mere aura of fake chips. This would more than double the prize pool, of course, so rake would need to rise proportionally. I'm sure that the windfall advocates in this thread would agree that this would only be fair.
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02-26-2014 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetlag
of course there is a point! their suit would be seeking the remaining prizepool not a refund.

this could go on for years now with this suit filed
Until a class is certified, the pltf only has a claim for his buy in, he is not able to tie up the remaining prize pool.
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02-26-2014 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
If Borgata should be required to pay all prizes and also to disperse full refunds to every player in their tournament, plus incidental costs, pain and suffering, and punitive damages, then I don't see why Maryland Live shouldn't be required to do the same. After all, both casinos were attacked by cheaters. In fact, one could argue that both casinos should make payments to the larger poker community to make amends. We should all receive vouchers for future tournaments. We all might have played in these tournaments, but didn't; why should the free money be limited to those who might have been cheated, but weren't? I'm starting to see the merits in the arguments advanced by the anti-Borgata crowd.

When you think about it, this is a problem that won't go away until all casinos post funds to an audited escrow account to compensate the players whenever the tournament is attacked by cheaters. The pool could cover prizes, refunds, and all other desires for both the victims and the duffers who simply busted out due to the mere aura of fake chips. This would more than double the prize pool, of course, so rake would need to rise proportionally. I'm sure that the windfall advocates in this thread would agree that this would only be fair.

It wasn't in the poker room read the article. Why would Maryland pay out it was lost in the pits the fake chips. not in Maryland poker room
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02-26-2014 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipKatcher
It wasn't in the poker room read the article. Why would Maryland pay out it was lost in the pits the fake chips. not in Maryland poker room
Why would Borgata pay out players who busted out day one in different seconds than Lusardi? I thought you'd be on board with this idea.
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02-26-2014 , 10:28 AM
One sadstic move Lusardi could try here would be to tell Borgata that unless they drop the charges he would testify that he circulated fake chips in all flights.

That would definitely happen on Law and Order!
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02-26-2014 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sheetsworld
One sadstic move Lusardi could try here would be to tell Borgata that unless they drop the charges he would testify that he circulated fake chips in all flights.

That would definitely happen on Law and Order!
Nah, it would be something like Tab was banging one of the cocktail waitresses and he ended it so she was scorned and seduced some slimeball to bring in chips and ruin his reputation
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02-26-2014 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Why would Borgata pay out players who busted out day one in different seconds than Lusardi? I thought you'd be on board with this idea.
Produce a list of those who busted out on day one or before Lusardi started introducing the fake chips. Then prove that Lusardi did not have any accomplices in those other flights spreading or intending to spread fake chips.

If that list can be produced, don't pay those people. Otherwise everyone gets a refund.
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02-26-2014 , 11:19 AM
One sadstic move Lusardi could try here would be to tell Borgata that unless they drop the charges he would testify that he circulated fake chips in all flights.

That would definitely happen on Law and Order!

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Originally Posted by pipes
Nah, it would be something like Tab was banging one of the cocktail waitresses and he ended it so she was scorned and seduced some slimeball to bring in chips and ruin his reputation
Oh, this is really great. (And some people on here accuse me of being delusional and harboring "conspiratorial" fantasies ...)
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02-26-2014 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Why would Borgata pay out players who busted out day one in different seconds than Lusardi? I thought you'd be on board with this idea.
It's only logical to him when he gets paid.
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02-26-2014 , 02:18 PM
oops wt
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02-26-2014 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sheetsworld
Semi-random story. There was a jockey who raced at Evangeline downs who was suspected of carrying a "buzzer" which was a hand held device which would shock the horse, make him run fast etc.

After one of the races they saw him throw something into the infield lake, so they sent out a team of people to dive and look for it. They found it, along with about 700 other buzzers which other jockeys had tossed in there over the years lol.
sounds like the crack security team should have been thrown in the lake after that
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02-26-2014 , 04:10 PM
The only surprising thing to me is that so many are still in denial that there is major widespread cheating going on in the world of gambling????

These stories cascading out right now are an absolute nightmare for casino operators. I'll ask the same question I posed over a month ago, why do you think there hasn't been any more arrests made in "chip gate?"

Oh right, because Lusardi, by himself, brought 5 mil in poor quality counterfeit chips to a tourney to pad his stack...Yeah ok

and that class action suit probably just guaranteed that no resolution is reached for idk years! No updates at all because no one comments during on going cases, litigation, or investigations. That's a serious shame for the final 27.

Why anyone would jump on board with what will amount to another lawyer pay day before a final resolution was announced is completely beyond me. Wait for an outcome and then decide how best to proceed!

"But Borgata messed up man, they have bad cameras, and should have done more, I want my $500 back, they owe me bro." Nice work vendetta guy, you should be shunned like an Amish girl in Banshee imo.
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02-26-2014 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Until a class is certified, the pltf only has a claim for his buy in, he is not able to tie up the remaining prize pool.
obv you don't understand what I am saying and you have no clue what you are talking about
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