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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

04-04-2014 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pipes
It seems like we are in the damage phase. Borgata has already admitted that they are guilty of running a compromised tourney.

It would seem wrong if they said something like, "Well, we have no clue how all of these chips got in, but we know for sure certain Day 1s were not affected."

Thusly I think details/proof must be provided if Borgata/DGE do not provide refunds to all

Admitting that counterfeit chips entered the tournament is nowhere near admitting liability. Any plaintiff would have to show negligence on Borgatas part and then prove damages.
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04-05-2014 , 07:05 PM
Announcement will come Monday or Tuesday. Not sure many people will be happy, but it is what it is. It was an F'd up situation for everyone involved. As one of the remaining 27 players, I'll take what they offer because other options are limited! The poker group at borgata are good people. The management of the borgata are running a business. And the cold hard facts are we are not that important in the grand scheme. I am just ready to move on and move away from this. I hope everyone else makes peace with the decision!! Good luck to everyone!!
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04-05-2014 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Babypoker44
Announcement will come Monday or Tuesday. Not sure many people will be happy, but it is what it is. It was an F'd up situation for everyone involved. As one of the remaining 27 players, I'll take what they offer because other options are limited! The poker group at borgata are good people. The management of the borgata are running a business. And the cold hard facts are we are not that important in the grand scheme. I am just ready to move on and move away from this. I hope everyone else makes peace with the decision!! Good luck to everyone!!
Source? Joe Lupo tell you this, someone at NJDGE? God, I hope you're right!
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04-05-2014 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Babypoker44
Announcement will come Monday or Tuesday. Not sure many people will be happy, but it is what it is. It was an F'd up situation for everyone involved. As one of the remaining 27 players, I'll take what they offer because other options are limited! The poker group at borgata are good people. The management of the borgata are running a business. And the cold hard facts are we are not that important in the grand scheme. I am just ready to move on and move away from this. I hope everyone else makes peace with the decision!! Good luck to everyone!!
27th place money for remaining players would not be acceptable
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04-05-2014 , 08:55 PM
Doesn't the Spring Open start on Tuesday April 8th?

And isn't the first event the same exact type of event as the one in question?

Logical for The Borgata and DGE to make an announcement prior to the next Series start.

Will it effect the Number of players in the event? Will there be any backlash?

Pninwin and BabyPoker44, are you playing Event 1?
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04-05-2014 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PALLADINN
Doesn't the Spring Open start on Tuesday April 8th?

And isn't the first event the same exact type of event as the one in question?

Logical for The Borgata and DGE to make an announcement prior to the next Series start.

Will it effect the Number of players in the event? Will there be any backlash?

Pninwin and BabyPoker44, are you playing Event 1?
not going back there until i get paid...hopefully i'll be there thursday
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04-05-2014 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Babypoker44
Announcement will come Monday or Tuesday. Not sure many people will be happy, but it is what it is. It was an F'd up situation for everyone involved. As one of the remaining 27 players, I'll take what they offer because other options are limited! The poker group at borgata are good people. The management of the borgata are running a business. And the cold hard facts are we are not that important in the grand scheme. I am just ready to move on and move away from this. I hope everyone else makes peace with the decision!! Good luck to everyone!!
Is this speculation or did Joe or Brian tell you there would be a resolution communicated on Monday or Tuesday? What do you think the resolution for the 27 will be? Are you playing any of the spring open tournaments?
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04-05-2014 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
not going back there until i get paid...hopefully i'll be there thursday
I will be there Thursday
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04-05-2014 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Babypoker44
Announcement will come Monday or Tuesday. Not sure many people will be happy, but it is what it is. It was an F'd up situation for everyone involved. As one of the remaining 27 players, I'll take what they offer because other options are limited! The poker group at borgata are good people. The management of the borgata are running a business. And the cold hard facts are we are not that important in the grand scheme. I am just ready to move on and move away from this. I hope everyone else makes peace with the decision!! Good luck to everyone!!
Monday is the last day for face saving. Hope to hear from Borgata and NJDGE something which is in best interest of poker and mostly for players affected by this.
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04-05-2014 , 10:51 PM
From what I am hearing its a Hybrid. Not even sure how they got to the resolution. But it sounds to me that some people won't be to happy... Depending on which days you played, which tables you played at ect..... My poker schedule revolves around my family and work commitments. I'll make as many events as I can. But..... If there is no resolution Monday or Tuesday. I will not play in any of the events.
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04-06-2014 , 02:38 AM
It sounds like they've put some serious thought and analysis into it, which is good news. The results of the tournament were distorted, with some folks advantaged, and others disadvantaged. It was surely very hard to unravel, and I hope that they did a good job.

Naturally some people will be unhappy, but that's inevitable - just look at the preposterous expectations in this thread. People are claiming that the Borgata should pay out far more than 3X the total gross amount - all the prizes, refunds to all the busted-out players, and food, lodging, expenses for everyone, etc., lol.

And most ridiculous of all, even first day bustouts who didn't play in Lusardi's section are trying to pick up some undeserved loot from the Borgata. My prediction: those unsuccessful profiteers will be the loudest in this thread after the decision.
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04-06-2014 , 03:47 AM
I preregistered online but then something came up and I couldn't make it. I want 560 back not just the 60 because it was canceled so I had no chance to win.
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04-06-2014 , 05:42 AM
Well, I considered playing the tourney, but I decided not to. But as a Borgata customer, I'm just as deserving of a refund as any day 1 bustouts in the non-Lusardi sections. And I fully expect that Borgata will do the right thing, and put me in the same category.
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04-06-2014 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Babypoker44
From what I am hearing its a Hybrid. Not even sure how they got to the resolution. But it sounds to me that some people won't be to happy... Depending on which days you played, which tables you played at ect..... My poker schedule revolves around my family and work commitments. I'll make as many events as I can. But..... If there is no resolution Monday or Tuesday. I will not play in any of the events.
You shouldn't play. You are still owed money from them and would be kinda dumb if you played more events when the big one hasn't even been settled yet for you.
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04-06-2014 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Babypoker44
From what I am hearing its a Hybrid. Not even sure how they got to the resolution. But it sounds to me that some people won't be to happy... Depending on which days you played, which tables you played at ect..... My poker schedule revolves around my family and work commitments. I'll make as many events as I can. But..... If there is no resolution Monday or Tuesday. I will not play in any of the events.
guess it's still speculation at this point but i hope you are right and this is almost over
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04-06-2014 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Well, I considered playing the tourney, but I decided not to. But as a Borgata customer, I'm just as deserving of a refund as any day 1 bustouts in the non-Lusardi sections. And I fully expect that Borgata will do the right thing, and put me in the same category.
+1
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04-06-2014 , 11:47 AM
One problem the players have is that the Borgata has been lobbying the DGE for months trying to bring an outcome that protects them. The players never had a seat at the table.
But then again we were never unified. The final 27 wants what's best for them. The bustouts want what's best for them. The people who got paid want to keep what they got. We may have been divided through this thread and may now get conquered.
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04-06-2014 , 12:00 PM
What if the final resolution has no financial consequences for the Borgata.
What if there is a hybrid solution that doesn't refund certain days and months down the road Lusardi plea's at the last minute to avoid longer jail time and admits to accomplices that played other days. It might be smart to hold out till the last minute to get a better deal. Finally If this is a legitimate leak from the DGE and or the Borgata I would not feel comfortable as to whether or not the players ultimately get a fair shake.
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04-06-2014 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Well, I considered playing the tourney, but I decided not to. But as a Borgata customer, I'm just as deserving of a refund as any day 1 bustouts in the non-Lusardi sections. And I fully expect that Borgata will do the right thing, and put me in the same category.
frommagio, you are doing a great job filling this thread with outright stupid comments. I see you never responded to my comment which was aimed directly at you, which I figured is what would happen because your dumb thoughts don't really add up to anything. You just like blurting **** out. You were in no way involved in this situation so please tell me why you care so much about what the outcome is? You literally have nothing better to do other than making yourself look like a dick in this thread? I can't believe no one else has told you to stfu yet, I'm tired of seeing your comments pollute this issue.

Everyone who played this tournament was affected by Lusardi especially the people who weren't at his tables, because they didn't have a chance to play against someone who was handing out 800,000+ free chips. Anyone who was not in this tournament who has something stupid to say (frommagio) should just stfu and get on with their life because this issue doesn't affect you at all.

I really can't comprehend why you care so much about this. My best guess is that you really wanted to play Event 1 but you couldn't afford it and no one including your parents would give you enough money to play. So after hearing about this and finding out you might have been able to play AND possibly get a refund after you lost - you went crazy and decided to fill this thread up with your stupid comments about how no one deserves a refund, and how all the players are just looking for handouts. Then (since you went crazy and all) you totally forgot you accused everyone of asking for handouts, so you decided to ask for a handout yourself. I really don't know whats wrong with you, so maybe you could help me out and explain it yourself? Thanks!
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04-06-2014 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatGoogleGuy
Everyone who played this tournament was affected by Lusardi especially the people who weren't at his tables, because they didn't have a chance to play against someone who was handing out 800,000+ free chips. Anyone who was not in this tournament who has something stupid to say (frommagio) should just stfu and get on with their life because this issue doesn't affect you at all.
hanks!
Doesn't affect you at all? Is this a level?

The decision the Borgata makes will affect everyone who plays tournament poker.
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04-06-2014 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Justsayin1
One problem the players have is that the Borgata has been lobbying the DGE for months trying to bring an outcome that protects them. The players never had a seat at the table.
But then again we were never unified. The final 27 wants what's best for them. The bustouts want what's best for them. The people who got paid want to keep what they got. We may have been divided through this thread and may now get conquered.
It's an investigation the players don't deserve a seat. All the money will be paid out at some point.

It's not really the end of the world. If you think one 500 dollar tourney is a big deal you have a long way to go in the poker world.

The only people it's a big deal to is the final 27 and I still believe they will be taken care of.

The only people who think borgata won't at a minimum return the prizepool in some form are flat out idiots.

My guess is there must be something to be resolved regarding someone in the final 27 otherwise this would have been taken care of awhile ago.
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04-06-2014 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by therealsaltydog
The decision the Borgata makes will affect everyone who plays tournament poker.
No, it won't. In the history of poker, I don't know of a single other tournament that was stopped and canceled due to a large number of counterfeit chips. Thus no "dangerous" precedents can be set here.
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04-06-2014 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatGoogleGuy
frommagio, you are doing a great job filling this thread with outright stupid comments. I see you never responded to my comment which was aimed directly at you, which I figured is what would happen because your dumb thoughts don't really add up to anything. You just like blurting **** out. You were in no way involved in this situation so please tell me why you care so much about what the outcome is? You literally have nothing better to do other than making yourself look like a dick in this thread? I can't believe no one else has told you to stfu yet, I'm tired of seeing your comments pollute this issue.

Everyone who played this tournament was affected by Lusardi especially the people who weren't at his tables, because they didn't have a chance to play against someone who was handing out 800,000+ free chips. Anyone who was not in this tournament who has something stupid to say (frommagio) should just stfu and get on with their life because this issue doesn't affect you at all.

I really can't comprehend why you care so much about this. My best guess is that you really wanted to play Event 1 but you couldn't afford it and no one including your parents would give you enough money to play. So after hearing about this and finding out you might have been able to play AND possibly get a refund after you lost - you went crazy and decided to fill this thread up with your stupid comments about how no one deserves a refund, and how all the players are just looking for handouts. Then (since you went crazy and all) you totally forgot you accused everyone of asking for handouts, so you decided to ask for a handout yourself. I really don't know whats wrong with you, so maybe you could help me out and explain it yourself? Thanks!
Now I know why this thread was closed....When will it end!
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04-06-2014 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by therealsaltydog
Doesn't affect you at all? Is this a level?

The decision the Borgata makes will affect everyone who plays tournament poker.
The decision the Borgata makes does not affect anyone who wasn't involved in the tournament. The resolution and or compensation the Borgata ends up going with - still does not affect anyone who was not involved.

In short - the outcome of this situation does not affect ANYONE who didn't play in Event #1. The way the Borgata and other casinos change their tournaments procedures and increase security to prevent this from happening again DOES affect everyone in the poker world. So I stand by what I said, and I think people with moronic comments who weren't part of this should stay out of this thread.
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04-06-2014 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Babypoker44
Announcement will come Monday or Tuesday. Not sure many people will be happy, but it is what it is. It was an F'd up situation for everyone involved. As one of the remaining 27 players, I'll take what they offer because other options are limited! The poker group at borgata are good people. The management of the borgata are running a business. And the cold hard facts are we are not that important in the grand scheme. I am just ready to move on and move away from this. I hope everyone else makes peace with the decision!! Good luck to everyone!!
I am impressed if it is true as no info is coming out!!!
Very tight lipped NJDGE !!!
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