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04-08-2014 , 10:40 PM

#4001

cockpit

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,372

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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques

Why are blaming Borgata for the slow resolution of this problem? They are legally barred from acting by the DGE, which hasn't yet made a ruling. Shame on the DGE, in my opinion, for being so slow.

The rest of the last tournament series ran ok, and everyone who won money in those events got paid, didn't they?

So why distrust the Borgata?

Lee

Borgata may be prohibited from distributing any of the prizepool but there's no way they are prohibited from giving money from their own pockets today to those in the top 27 or making a statement saying they will ensure that everyone in the top 27 gets paid a guaranteed amount, even if Borg has to cover the payments.

It seems like they are taking their cues from Howard Lederer.

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04-08-2014 , 10:48 PM

#4002

Lovesantiques

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All things considered - especially considering the lawsuit(s?) already filed and with more threatened (implicitly if not explicitly) I can't see how Borgata's taking unilateral action would make any sense here. Especially prior to the DGE making a decision.

Obviously, others can and will feel differently.

Lee

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04-08-2014 , 11:29 PM

#4003

Jetlag

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 160

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Originally Posted by cockpit

^^^lol^^^

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04-09-2014 , 12:07 AM

#4004

PSUMike1999

adept

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,118

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Originally Posted by mrdadio48

who would want to enter an mtt thinking they might not get paid like the guys who were in event 1 of their winter open? they havent been taken care of yet so why would anyone in their right mind go there when there are of plenty of other options where they know they will be paid and not have to be waiting 3+ months and poorly updated?

Agree 100% - tournament is already a shell of itself by the decision to make ALL OF DAY 1(16 LEVELS) 30 minutes, basically for the sole purpose to make us players have to reenter more.

Add to that the whole pending payout nonsense that is still going on 3 months later and you get a tournament not worth playing.

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04-09-2014 , 01:57 AM

#4005

isuxatpokerbad

2015 WSOP ME Champ

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 7,629

they are now logging every table movement by having the person moving into a seat get out their borgata card. at the end of the night they counted the amount of physical chips everybody had and logged them as well.

Last edited by isuxatpokerbad; 04-09-2014 at 01:58 AM. Reason: i ended in seat 1 so i got out first and just in time for the free ice cream. LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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04-09-2014 , 02:34 AM

#4006

mrdadio48

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 107

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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques

the borgata does have something to do with the resolution because they keep meeting with the DGE. they have had extensive meetings together and apparently cant agree with a compromise, so the borgata is partly to blame for the delay. IMO

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04-09-2014 , 07:22 AM

#4007

DC2LV

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

Even chop will never fly. No way all 27 would accept that.

What makes you think that they have any voice in the matter? What would someone's option be if he didn't want to accept it? File a lawsuit against Borgata? I can just hear the argument now:

Judge, I had more chips than anyone else so I deserve more money! No, I can't demonstrate that I actually would have won more money than I was given had the tournment continued. Yes, I realize that the tournament was compromised by a cheater. Yes, I realize that the state regulatory body instructed Borgata to cancel the tourney. But judge, in conclusion I would just like to say once again that I deserve more money!!

I rest my case.

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04-09-2014 , 07:51 AM

#4008

Lovesantiques

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Originally Posted by mrdadio48

And your source of information on this matter is??

Lee

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04-09-2014 , 08:08 AM

#4009

therealsaltydog

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Originally Posted by DC2LV

I totally agree. However, when an old lady can sue and win against McDonalds for dumping coffee on herself, anything is possible.

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04-09-2014 , 08:24 AM

#4010

cockpit

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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques

It was Borgata's inaction and failure to communicate with the affected customers that are partially responsible for the affected filing the lawsuit. Borgata then using the investigation and the lawsuit as justification for doing nothing to help those customers is BS. There's a long list of things Borgata could have done to assure its customers that they will be taken care of and/or take steps to compensate them in some way for their aggravation. Saying and doing almost nothing is totally unacceptable, and while it might have worked for Borgata in the short term the ill-will it has created will hurt it in the long term.

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04-09-2014 , 09:27 AM

#4011

BluffMyNuts

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Originally Posted by therealsaltydog

I totally agree. However, when an old lady can sue and win against McDonalds for dumping coffee on herself, anything is possible.

You should actually read about that case, your quote shows you have no idea what you're talking about and just spewing nonsense.

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04-09-2014 , 10:37 AM

#4012

Oneof27

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Originally Posted by mrdadio48

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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques

And your source of information on this matter is??

Lee

Email from Borgata told us that they were working with the DGE

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04-09-2014 , 01:05 PM

#4013

pipes

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I love how people say it wasn't Borgata's fault at all and Lusardi just randomly chose this tourney as opposed to WSOP-C.

Well, I don't think it's random. Borgata's cheap chips they have been using for years, mass amount of incompetent dealers, and in general the Borgata's trend of going more for quantity rather than quality in this first tourney played into his decision.

You are more likely to find a flea in a trash dump as opposed to an operating room. It was not random.

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04-09-2014 , 03:16 PM

#4014

mrdadio48

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 107

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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques

And your source of information on this matter is??

Lee

The borgata

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04-09-2014 , 03:22 PM

#4015

mrdadio48

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 107

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Originally Posted by cockpit

totally agree, look at the turn out for day 1a of the spring open 358. the day 1a for the winter open was over 1000. what they are doing by dragging their feet is affecting their profits. hopefully this will register in their heads but who knows..

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04-09-2014 , 03:39 PM

#4016

Jetlag

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Originally Posted by riverph7

First time will be playing with RFID chips. !!
Can't wait to see !

they are not RFID chips

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04-09-2014 , 03:45 PM

#4017

mrdadio48

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 107

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Originally Posted by Jigsaw

TabDuchateau: Borgata Spring Open Event 1a 1 mil guar. Starts tom. at 11am. will be using new chips with enhanced security

#warned

https://twitter.com/tabduchateau/sta...42076395323392

hey chipcatcher, i think i know what they did with your refund money...

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04-09-2014 , 03:51 PM

#4018

isuxatpokerbad

2015 WSOP ME Champ

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 7,629

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Originally Posted by mrdadio48

this is a really stupid post. the winter open is always massively bigger than the spring open. the guarantee is also half as big.

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04-09-2014 , 03:54 PM

#4019

pipes

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Originally Posted by isuxatpokerbad

this is a really stupid post. the winter open is always massively bigger than the spring open. the guarantee is also half as big.

yes, but 358 is less than 50% of 1,000

no flames though pls

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04-09-2014 , 04:30 PM

#4020

ChipKatcher

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 251

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Originally Posted by mrdadio48

hey chipcatcher, i think i know what they did with your refund money...

I must of made a lasting impression on you to bring me up.

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04-09-2014 , 04:39 PM

#4021

Cerveza69

adept

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 786

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Originally Posted by mrdadio48

i dont get it either,450-28th get paid and 27th-1st get a refund... great logic, very intelligent.

All payees need to return the funds.

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04-09-2014 , 04:58 PM

#4022

Jigsaw

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Originally Posted by mrdadio48

You should compare the day 1 turnout of the Spring Open of 2014 to that of 2013.

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04-09-2014 , 05:10 PM

#4023

BluffMyNuts

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 12,311

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Originally Posted by Cerveza69

All payees need to return the funds.

I would love to see that happen, how would you enforce that legally?

There is no way that would ever happen.

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04-09-2014 , 06:38 PM

#4024

pipes

banned

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,340

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Originally Posted by Jigsaw

You should compare the day 1 turnout of the Spring Open of 2014 to that of 2013.

That's comparing apples to oranges. IIRC that was only a 500K guarantee and maybe only two starting days.

Probably better to take the 2014 Spring Open (X2) and compare to the Winter Open

Seems highly unlikely but if they failed to meet the guarantee I'd cum a never ending river

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04-09-2014 , 06:46 PM

#4025

BluffMyNuts

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Originally Posted by pipes

I lol'd IRL.

Pretty ballsy to run another series while the 27 await word on payment, you guys are handling it better than I would and I hope they come up with an agreeable solution. I still think half of the prize pool should get chopped 27 ways and the other half by ICM. I wouldn't give refunds to those who didn't cash but would give some comps.

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