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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

04-08-2014 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques
Why are blaming Borgata for the slow resolution of this problem? They are legally barred from acting by the DGE, which hasn't yet made a ruling. Shame on the DGE, in my opinion, for being so slow.

The rest of the last tournament series ran ok, and everyone who won money in those events got paid, didn't they?

So why distrust the Borgata?

Lee
Borgata may be prohibited from distributing any of the prizepool but there's no way they are prohibited from giving money from their own pockets today to those in the top 27 or making a statement saying they will ensure that everyone in the top 27 gets paid a guaranteed amount, even if Borg has to cover the payments.

It seems like they are taking their cues from Howard Lederer.
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04-08-2014 , 10:48 PM
All things considered - especially considering the lawsuit(s?) already filed and with more threatened (implicitly if not explicitly) I can't see how Borgata's taking unilateral action would make any sense here. Especially prior to the DGE making a decision.

Obviously, others can and will feel differently.

Lee
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04-08-2014 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cockpit
Borgata may be prohibited from distributing any of the prizepool but there's no way they are prohibited from giving money from their own pockets today to those in the top 27 or making a statement saying they will ensure that everyone in the top 27 gets paid a guaranteed amount, even if Borg has to cover the payments.

It seems like they are taking their cues from Howard Lederer.
^^^lol^^^
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04-09-2014 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mrdadio48
who would want to enter an mtt thinking they might not get paid like the guys who were in event 1 of their winter open? they havent been taken care of yet so why would anyone in their right mind go there when there are of plenty of other options where they know they will be paid and not have to be waiting 3+ months and poorly updated?
Agree 100% - tournament is already a shell of itself by the decision to make ALL OF DAY 1(16 LEVELS) 30 minutes, basically for the sole purpose to make us players have to reenter more.

Add to that the whole pending payout nonsense that is still going on 3 months later and you get a tournament not worth playing.
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04-09-2014 , 01:57 AM
they are now logging every table movement by having the person moving into a seat get out their borgata card. at the end of the night they counted the amount of physical chips everybody had and logged them as well.

Last edited by isuxatpokerbad; 04-09-2014 at 01:58 AM. Reason: i ended in seat 1 so i got out first and just in time for the free ice cream. LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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04-09-2014 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques
Why are blaming Borgata for the slow resolution of this problem? They are legally barred from acting by the DGE, which hasn't yet made a ruling. Shame on the DGE, in my opinion, for being so slow.

The rest of the last tournament series ran ok, and everyone who won money in those events got paid, didn't they?

So why distrust the Borgata?

Lee
the borgata does have something to do with the resolution because they keep meeting with the DGE. they have had extensive meetings together and apparently cant agree with a compromise, so the borgata is partly to blame for the delay. IMO
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04-09-2014 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Even chop will never fly. No way all 27 would accept that.
What makes you think that they have any voice in the matter? What would someone's option be if he didn't want to accept it? File a lawsuit against Borgata? I can just hear the argument now:

Judge, I had more chips than anyone else so I deserve more money! No, I can't demonstrate that I actually would have won more money than I was given had the tournment continued. Yes, I realize that the tournament was compromised by a cheater. Yes, I realize that the state regulatory body instructed Borgata to cancel the tourney. But judge, in conclusion I would just like to say once again that I deserve more money!!

I rest my case.
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04-09-2014 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mrdadio48
the borgata does have something to do with the resolution because they keep meeting with the DGE. they have had extensive meetings together and apparently cant agree with a compromise, so the borgata is partly to blame for the delay. IMO
And your source of information on this matter is??



Lee
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04-09-2014 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DC2LV
What makes you think that they have any voice in the matter? What would someone's option be if he didn't want to accept it? File a lawsuit against Borgata? I can just hear the argument now:

Judge, I had more chips than anyone else so I deserve more money! No, I can't demonstrate that I actually would have won more money than I was given had the tournment continued. Yes, I realize that the tournament was compromised by a cheater. Yes, I realize that the state regulatory body instructed Borgata to cancel the tourney. But judge, in conclusion I would just like to say once again that I deserve more money!!

I rest my case.
I totally agree. However, when an old lady can sue and win against McDonalds for dumping coffee on herself, anything is possible.
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04-09-2014 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques
All things considered - especially considering the lawsuit(s?) already filed and with more threatened (implicitly if not explicitly) I can't see how Borgata's taking unilateral action would make any sense here. Especially prior to the DGE making a decision.

Obviously, others can and will feel differently.

Lee
It was Borgata's inaction and failure to communicate with the affected customers that are partially responsible for the affected filing the lawsuit. Borgata then using the investigation and the lawsuit as justification for doing nothing to help those customers is BS. There's a long list of things Borgata could have done to assure its customers that they will be taken care of and/or take steps to compensate them in some way for their aggravation. Saying and doing almost nothing is totally unacceptable, and while it might have worked for Borgata in the short term the ill-will it has created will hurt it in the long term.
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04-09-2014 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by therealsaltydog
I totally agree. However, when an old lady can sue and win against McDonalds for dumping coffee on herself, anything is possible.
You should actually read about that case, your quote shows you have no idea what you're talking about and just spewing nonsense.
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04-09-2014 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mrdadio48
the borgata does have something to do with the resolution because they keep meeting with the DGE. they have had extensive meetings together and apparently cant agree with a compromise, so the borgata is partly to blame for the delay. IMO
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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques
And your source of information on this matter is??



Lee
Email from Borgata told us that they were working with the DGE
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04-09-2014 , 01:05 PM
I love how people say it wasn't Borgata's fault at all and Lusardi just randomly chose this tourney as opposed to WSOP-C.

Well, I don't think it's random. Borgata's cheap chips they have been using for years, mass amount of incompetent dealers, and in general the Borgata's trend of going more for quantity rather than quality in this first tourney played into his decision.

You are more likely to find a flea in a trash dump as opposed to an operating room. It was not random.
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04-09-2014 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques
And your source of information on this matter is??



Lee
The borgata
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04-09-2014 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cockpit
It was Borgata's inaction and failure to communicate with the affected customers that are partially responsible for the affected filing the lawsuit. Borgata then using the investigation and the lawsuit as justification for doing nothing to help those customers is BS. There's a long list of things Borgata could have done to assure its customers that they will be taken care of and/or take steps to compensate them in some way for their aggravation. Saying and doing almost nothing is totally unacceptable, and while it might have worked for Borgata in the short term the ill-will it has created will hurt it in the long term.
totally agree, look at the turn out for day 1a of the spring open 358. the day 1a for the winter open was over 1000. what they are doing by dragging their feet is affecting their profits. hopefully this will register in their heads but who knows..
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04-09-2014 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
First time will be playing with RFID chips. !!
Can't wait to see !
they are not RFID chips
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04-09-2014 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jigsaw
TabDuchateau: Borgata Spring Open Event 1a 1 mil guar. Starts tom. at 11am. will be using new chips with enhanced security

#warned



https://twitter.com/tabduchateau/sta...42076395323392
hey chipcatcher, i think i know what they did with your refund money...
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04-09-2014 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdadio48
totally agree, look at the turn out for day 1a of the spring open 358. the day 1a for the winter open was over 1000. what they are doing by dragging their feet is affecting their profits. hopefully this will register in their heads but who knows..
this is a really stupid post. the winter open is always massively bigger than the spring open. the guarantee is also half as big.
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04-09-2014 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by isuxatpokerbad
this is a really stupid post. the winter open is always massively bigger than the spring open. the guarantee is also half as big.
yes, but 358 is less than 50% of 1,000

no flames though pls
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04-09-2014 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdadio48
hey chipcatcher, i think i know what they did with your refund money...
I must of made a lasting impression on you to bring me up.
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04-09-2014 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdadio48
i dont get it either,450-28th get paid and 27th-1st get a refund... great logic, very intelligent.
All payees need to return the funds.
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04-09-2014 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdadio48
totally agree, look at the turn out for day 1a of the spring open 358. the day 1a for the winter open was over 1000. what they are doing by dragging their feet is affecting their profits. hopefully this will register in their heads but who knows..
You should compare the day 1 turnout of the Spring Open of 2014 to that of 2013.
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04-09-2014 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerveza69
All payees need to return the funds.
I would love to see that happen, how would you enforce that legally?

There is no way that would ever happen.
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04-09-2014 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jigsaw
You should compare the day 1 turnout of the Spring Open of 2014 to that of 2013.
That's comparing apples to oranges. IIRC that was only a 500K guarantee and maybe only two starting days.

Probably better to take the 2014 Spring Open (X2) and compare to the Winter Open

Seems highly unlikely but if they failed to meet the guarantee I'd cum a never ending river
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04-09-2014 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pipes
That's comparing apples to oranges. IIRC that was only a 500K guarantee and maybe only two starting days.

Probably better to take the 2014 Spring Open (X2) and compare to the Winter Open

Seems highly unlikely but if they failed to meet the guarantee I'd cum a never ending river
I lol'd IRL.

Pretty ballsy to run another series while the 27 await word on payment, you guys are handling it better than I would and I hope they come up with an agreeable solution. I still think half of the prize pool should get chopped 27 ways and the other half by ICM. I wouldn't give refunds to those who didn't cash but would give some comps.
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