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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

03-31-2014 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pipes
lol is that all that is expected of Borgata after collecting around $280,000 in vig? That they didn't aid in the cheating?

Maybe some may argue that they were not negligent in their duties and this breach was not their fault. But that is a tough sell for me as it has been reported that early concerns about counterfeit chips were not addressed. And that the tourney was only stopped because the NJDGE stepped in and stopped it. There was almost a full rack of fake chips in the tourney.

If Borgata had their way, they would have probably just played it out. And then covered up the extra chips as just a "lil' color up messup, nothing to see here ladies and gents"
I agree that the Borgata is responsible for not catching this sooner and that for the vig they have the responsibility of protecting the integrity of the tournament. I do disagree with the fact that you think they would have tried to cover this up.

Regarding your statement about the early concerns and the picture that was circulated on Twitter and in this thread, it is my understanding that they were real chips and the difference was due to the fact the Borgata was using 3 different chips sets. The fact they were using 3 different chip sets created the problem of not being able to detect the counterfeit chips earlier.

With all of that said, the Borgata has not been given the opportunity to make thing right yet. So until they actually come out with their resolution to this CF, maybe you shouldn't assume they plan to screw everyone or anyone.
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03-31-2014 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pipes
..and playing a $2500 buyin just to get the face time
Now that would be stupid...but I am sure you are smart enough to realize that...playing in tourney to make money
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03-31-2014 , 04:23 PM
Read Pipes other posts before you make assumptions about his aptitude.
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03-31-2014 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Read Pipes other posts before you make assumptions about his aptitude.
Thanks for having my back, bro!
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03-31-2014 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Read Pipes other posts before you make assumptions about his aptitude.
I did and you are right...my mistake
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03-31-2014 , 06:03 PM
people should ignore everything pipes says ever
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03-31-2014 , 06:15 PM
have barely heard the word "Lusardi" the last few months here, just googled him and the most recent article about him was from Feb 12. anyone know the next time he will be in court?
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03-31-2014 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
have barely heard the word "Lusardi" the last few months here, just googled him and the most recent article about him was from Feb 12. anyone know the next time he will be in court?
Hey Mike,

Just saw your post on here being used as an update for this CF on pocketfives.com
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03-31-2014 , 08:51 PM
In conjunction with the announcement of the BSO schedule has the Borgata announced an update, an apology, or possibly an action plan on how this would be avoided in the future?

Seems like it was basically, "Here's the schedule, come on running you little lemmings!"
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03-31-2014 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Oneof27
Hey Mike,

Just saw your post on here being used as an update for this CF on pocketfives.com
hmmm, hopefully i'm viewed sympathetically and it's not a "the whiners are still whining" kind of update
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03-31-2014 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
hmmm, hopefully i'm viewed sympathetically and it's not a "the whiners are still whining" kind of update
No they just reference the email from the 21st you mentioned in your post
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04-01-2014 , 07:50 AM
04-01-2014 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pipes
In conjunction with the announcement of the BSO schedule has the Borgata announced an update, an apology, or possibly an action plan on how this would be avoided in the future?

Seems like it was basically, "Here's the schedule, come on running you little lemmings!"
Are you actually shocked by this?
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04-01-2014 , 08:58 AM
Borgata, get your act together. This twitter by Tab was very unprofessional.
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04-01-2014 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Allworld23
Borgata, get your act together. This twitter by Tab was very unprofessional.
How was it unprofessional? What would you have had him say in the same spot?
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04-01-2014 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
Not sure about coconut creek but @SHRPO going on now at Seminole Hard Rock, players must leave players card at table during breaks , and ALL stacks are counted.

Tip Of the Hat to William and team there for taking some preventative measures

Also Seminoles just hired TD from Parx who recently implemented same procedure while he was there

Strong Team at Hard Rock, imo
Do you (or anyone else) have a reference as to why leaving your card a good preventive measure against cheating? It seems completely pointless and opens up more issues than solves from my thinking.

First and foremost, what if you plan to use points to pick up food or something while on break? Or go to the pits and earn a few points while you're gone?
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04-01-2014 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cf410
Do you (or anyone else) have a reference as to why leaving your card a good preventive measure against cheating? It seems completely pointless and opens up more issues than solves from my thinking.

First and foremost, what if you plan to use points to pick up food or something while on break? Or go to the pits and earn a few points while you're gone?
very easy, make another card..........
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04-01-2014 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cf410
Do you (or anyone else) have a reference as to why leaving your card a good preventive measure against cheating? It seems completely pointless and opens up more issues than solves from my thinking.

First and foremost, what if you plan to use points to pick up food or something while on break? Or go to the pits and earn a few points while you're gone?
the players card isn't really the point, and in the case of what they did at SHRPO, you could leave your players card or your tournament receipt.

The point is getting an exact count of chips in play to see if any fake chips had been introduced in that round.

Only way to scam that would be to sneak chips in, benefit from them during that round, then sneak them back out before the level was over. good luck with that.

Pretty strong deterrent imo and wouldn't be surprised to see many tournaments go down this road. Only people who are going to hate this are ones who have grown accustomed to smuggling chips into events.

To any of those folks reading this you are going to have to earn your titles and rings the old fashioned way.... play poker. You can go visit Mr. Lusardi in jail and thank him for ruining your scam.

Last edited by PTLou; 04-01-2014 at 12:03 PM.
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04-01-2014 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cf410
Do you (or anyone else) have a reference as to why leaving your card a good preventive measure against cheating? It seems completely pointless and opens up more issues than solves from my thinking.

First and foremost, what if you plan to use points to pick up food or something while on break? Or go to the pits and earn a few points while you're gone?
It's not so much a preventative measure to prevent cheating, what it serves as is a point to restart the tournament where you have valid information to support restarting the tournament invalidating everything that occurred since last known good chip count should they find counterfeit chips. It also provides how many chips each player had should they decide to restart the tournament as some known good point. Not saying that will be the case, but maybe what they have planned.
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04-01-2014 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by therealsaltydog
Are you actually shocked by this?
Not at all.

Still think it takes some nerve and is in poor taste though. In contrast, you have casinos like Parx addressing the situation and putting in common sense procedures to help prevent future situations.
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04-01-2014 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Allworld23
Borgata, get your act together. This twitter by Tab was very unprofessional.
1. He was responding to someone who had been bugging him repeatedly.

B. The statement is accurate. He said everything that could be said.
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04-01-2014 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jigsaw
1. He was responding to someone who had been bugging him repeatedly.

B. The statement is accurate. He said everything that could be said.
He probably gets at least 1 tweet a day about this. Not surprised if he may be a bit short and direct with his response.
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04-01-2014 , 08:59 PM
probably gets 27 a day
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04-01-2014 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetlag
probably gets 27 a day
From each person, several people per day.
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04-02-2014 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Allworld23
Borgata, get your act together. This twitter by Tab was very unprofessional.
Huh? How is it unprofessional? The DGE made it clear in their first order that the Borgata has to hold the monies in escrow and can't take action until the DGE issues a 2nd order directing what is to be done.

It certainly seems clear to me that the Borgata is legally required to wait along with the rest of us until the DGE issues the follow up order.

Tab is following the law - what else would you expect him, or anyone else at Borgata, to do?

Lee
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