Will Borgata Be Penalized and/or Fined For Lax and Inadequate Security?

This is my totally subjective opinion, so take it (or reject it) as you see fit.

I believe the NJDGE has to assess a monetary penalty or a punitive fine of some sort on the Borgata for lax and inadequate security which (at least partially) allowed this calamity to occur. They'll assess such a penalty for three reasons: First as a punitive measure to impress upon the staff and management of Borgata how unhappy the state of New Jersey is with having been forced to intervene in such a drastic manner. Second, a severe monetary fine will "send a message" to all other New Jersey operators that they need to get their house in order, (i.e. "We, the NJDGE do not want to be put in this position again!") Third, a stiff fine imposed upon Borgata will reassure New Jersey gambling patrons that the DGE takes security and the prevention of cheating seriously ... that the operators better get heart attack serious about stopping this type of behavior.

Since any one (actually all) of the remaining 27 players had a legitimate shot at winning the tournament and the $372,000 first place prize money, maybe the DGE could kill two birds with one stone by ordering the Borgata to pay all 27 remaining players first place prize money. Of course, this "penalty" would be contingent on all 27 players agreeing to sign a release promising not to sue either the Borgata or the state of New Jersey.

If a resolution is announced in the next few days, it will be interesting to see whether the DGE comes down hard on the Borgata or lets them off with a slap on the wrist.

Nothing unrealistic about a roughly $9M penalty or anything. C'mon, man.

I am tried of people like you telling other people to stfu because they say stuff that makes all of you whining people asking for refund who never even played with the cheater look like a*sholes.

You must be kidding with your argument that Lusardi was just handing out those chips. That is why the guy was a chip leader for majority of the time he was playing cause he was giving away his stack. Try saying that out loud and maybe you will hear just how moronic that sounds.

I made the mistake of feeling bad for you up until you just said that, and pretty much proved you're a complete jackass who only cares about how this turns out for yourself. You have to be a ****ing moron to truly believe that no one was affected by this guy besides the people at his tables. You are doing everything you can to prevent refunds because you think if people get refunds, then you won't get a big enough payday. Also to be clear, I am not whining at all, or begging for a refund. You have done more than enough whining, complaining, and showboating about being one of the final 27 --> "That should remind you who I am. As one of the 27 I can assure you that I will not accept 27th place money as a payout." ...nice, you don't sound entitled at all.

You accuse me of whining? --> "The tournament was cancelled, no one should have to deal with a loss here besides the Borgata. It is just as important to give refunds to everyone who entered as it is to make sure the remaining 27 are taken care of and fairly compensated. Anyone who didn't play in this event who is trying to justify why only one of these groups or parts of these groups should be taken care of while the rest should be neglected - should be embarrassed with themselves. It's distasteful to say anything aside from everyone deserves to be treated right, not just the select few that you deem worthy." Just because your in the 27 does not make you a hero and you should start caring more about everyone involved, not just yourself. I never whined or complained, I just said I think everyone in this tournament should be treated fairly.

And I would much rather have been at a table with some guy who had 800k in his pocket as opposed to never being at his table. It is very easy to be chipleader throughout the whole day with a stash of chips to reach into whenever you want. It is not moronic when said out loud at all, because there were over 800k of fake chips found in play - Lusardi ended day 1 with 519k. So try explaining how he wasn't donking off chips. Hypothetically if he folded every single hand and got his entire stack from taking chips out of his pocket - he still lost 300k. But he was obviously playing the whole day and giving away chips. So try using logic next time you want to insult me.

Does your house contain mirrors? Check one and you will see who should be embarrassed.

I disregard your entire post because of the complete nonsense contained in the bolded segment.

Are you going to explain what I should be embarrassed about? My guess is that I should be embarrassed about saying everyone involved should be taken care of fairly...clearly that viewpoint is WAY outside the box compared to most people in here.

As someone with no pony in this race, I'll take a guess that he means the way you rage and name call people who disagree with you.

boys, boys...give peace a chance

First of all you are correct, I don't care if you get a refund or not. Not my job to care about you. My job is to care about myself and my family not you.

With regards to your last comment, the guy played for 2 days. If you think he introduced all those chips on day 1 you are a moron.

Maybe reason you went bust on day 1 was your inability to have rational thought.

As long as the followed the procedures required by the state they should not be fined. Some guy committed a crime during a tournament they were running, that is it. Could have happened at a WSOP-C stop also. If someone is robbed at the casino do they get fined, when its not their responsibility?? They need to allow different procedures for non value chip tournaments than for real money chips otherwise it is too cost prohibitive to run a tournament series.

Im sure they will have new procedures in place to prevent it from happening again. That is all they can do.

Wow rereading through your post you are such an idiot. The only way they deserve a fine is if they lied to the state about some aspect of the tournament (i.e. not enough camera coverage or something of that nature - but considering they have running the series in this venue for close to 10 years that is not very likely). So it's doubtful they deserve a fine.

Oneof27 I can't argue with you. You accuse everyone of whining and begging for handouts. Then you go and admit you only care about how this is going to benefit you. Therefore if you had busted out, your username would be Oneof4787 and you'd be throwing a fit about getting a refund because that's what best for you and your family. All I'm asking is that people who didn't play this event should stop polluting this thread. This was supposed to be the source of updates for most players, a thread we could check to see what's going on... Not a place where all we read are comments from people who didn't play telling us we are all beggers looking for handouts. They can start a new thread for people who didn't play in the event but still want to talk about it and say random stuff. It's obvious you don't care about how this turns out for anyone but yourself, I feel bad for everyone else involved who also cared enough to want the remaining 27 to be treated well, just to find out that if you had it your way you would throw everybody else involved under the bus. Since you're such a good example I guess I'll follow your suit now and say I don't care if you even get paid, as long as my whiney ass gets $$$ my family will be happy. Pninwin and Mrdadio for the win Oneof27 for the refund!

That's exactly why I haven't been responding to him, despite the provocation. He's only got 8 posts, and they're all filled with anger, personal attacks and incoherent walls of text. That's not going to lead to an intelligent conversation.

I truly hope babypoker44 has the right info/intel and TODAY is the end of this nonsense and we get a resolution that is fair

The definition of "fair" for most people is what is best for them. sad but true. i put some bullets in this thing and still think the most fair thing is to just chop up the remaining prizepool among the 27.

I'm amazed its taken this long if no one else was involved.

So, your solution is to not hold the Borgata accountable for running a flawed tournament and sweeping the warning signs of fake chips under the rug. Not to mention not reconciling the chips at the end of day ones. That alone would have told them the prize pool was $20,000.00 short by multiplying chips in play by entries. You must work at the Borgata. If the Borgata had responded to player concerns this tournament would never had gotten to the money.

Haha..The End. It will be just the begining of all the "Inteligent Opinions" and hindsight conclusions by "Educated" people itt.

I hope your resolution is fair as can be considering this unfortunate situation.

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Many of the chips that people thought were fake were just the newer models. they had the old dull gray and a shiny gray that were both real. bottom line is the guy lusardi committed a crime and he could have basically chose any wsop-c or borgata.

if i were running the borgata i'd probably offer some sort of freeroll for people who played as the money investment would probably be worth it to get rake in future tourneys or cash games. they may have lax in this department but so were many venues and there never had been an event like this since they started running their tournaments.

also, i do think there are many just hoping for a refund and not looking at the situation fairly. obviously, if they want to give me one ill take it.

THE CHIP COUNTS PUBLISHED AT THE END OF THE DAY ARE MEANINGLESS. you can write any amount on the bag you want. in the future people will probably be more careful amount it. but i played at an event in cinci which was run by alot of the wsopc people and even though they were counting your chips at the break, they were not verifying the amount you bagged. so if you found an error in these chip counts it was a 99 percent chance that someone wrote the wrong amount on their bag.

borgata has run big tournaments for over 10 years and have been extremely innovative with structures and have listened to the players.

they probably will update their chips security and procedures because of what happened. but i think its unfair to kill them over what happened.

Frommagio, your comment I quoted was the only reason I decided to join the conversation instead of continuing to passively read it. I decided to give you the answer you were looking for. But instead you ignore it, so it's not because there isn't a "coherent argument to the contrary". It's just that you won't acknowledge the fact that there is. You throw away anything I say because of the number of posts I have...nice.

Just for thought. When the Borgata verifies the Dailey chips leaders stack for theBonus I'm told that they count down your stack. This says a lot about the floor persons job that day. At the very least the most important stack in the room got verified. The problem is this wasn't a small number of chips that might reflect a color up mistake, this was $800k in chips. Nearly 2 full racks of 5ks. Would the Borgata miss an elephant in the lobby. They were lazy in protecting the integrity of this event by not doing the checks and balances.

From the time i played they simply looked around the room for the biggest stacks than verified those.

My chips have never been looked at or counted before i bagged anywhere before this incident. Some places now are counting them at breaks, etc.

It was not the floor's job to verify or count down people chips. They merely went and found the biggest stacks and counted those.

Obviously, they will change procedures in the future but for this event, I can't say the floors did not do their job.

yes, i meant to put "fair" in quotes: there likely will be some sort of litigation regardless of the decision. not sure if it is coming this week anyway...

"immenent"
"this week?"
"all I can say is very, very soon"

this is a bit of the brief conversation I had with a NJ DGE person on the phone this morning. at this point i'm looking for any sort of good news, a double very is the best thing I have heard so far

When I see mention of free roll solutions I wonder how that affect events where there are re-entries. The Borgata has embraced the re-entry in just about every event. This is a bit self serving. It is a pure money maker and that's why we all have to remember when drinking the corporate kool aid. They are there for profit. Profit in the hotel, profit in the casino and profit in the poker room. The huge amount of re-entries makes any solution more difficult.

Bobo fett saving the day here with the most unrelated quotes. I guess cause you put in bold how he views my posts it must be true. My posts aren't full of anger and they would actually lead to intelligent conversation if he would respond. My posts were full of viewpoints and answers opposed to his which angered him. Calling someone an idiot doesn't make me angry it just means I'm annoyed by his dumb comments and decided I'd join the conversation to prove him wrong. But we're never going to get that far because yet again he is deeming other people unworthy.