Generally not so: to "brandish" is "to shake or wave menacingly." I'd have to run cases on this to see if revealing a previously hidden weapon could fit that definition. But open carrying on your hip without more doesn't fit the definition.

Good distinction and i agree.

This is exactly the type of 'weak male' who should never be carrying a gun as I think they do it as the fair use leveler when they otherwise feel unable to fight back and without the gun would just walk away. The gun allows them not to walk away and thus 'feel' more brave.




I do a lot of business in Texas and am there often. Only twice over many years have I noticed anyone carrying guns. So ya, I would say it is not common, at least in the bigger cities where i exclusively travel.

It's time to stop allowing open carry at all, it would make these situations much easier. The only reason to open carry is to intimidate people. If you feel you are in danger then get a concealed carry permit, and keep it concealed unless a dangerous situation arises.

Thanks.

Eh, I think it's fair to say from the images I posted earlier that he went to a bar with his mom and dudes at the bar saw him and wanted a selfie with him. The smile on his face doesn't look like "these are my 40-year-old buddies that I hang out with" smile as much as "these are my new buddies" kind of smile.

Saying I don't know if he is or isn't a white supremacist isn't defending him nor is assuming he ran into nutbars while having a beer with his mom isn't either, but I'm sure you'll misconstrue it as such.

You don't see anyone with an AR, but you'll see handguns in the pro-gun states here and there at a grocery store or big box hardware. More often, people are carrying concealed, though, because open-carrying a weapon is tactically not wise and only done by yahoos.

Yes, I'm talking about a gun on your hip that is concealed by a shirt and lifted up to reveal the firearm. I just saw this last week. Security and a manager were walking after a dude for whatever reason and he turned and said, "Leave me the **** alone" and then lifted his shirt revealing a Mexican carried firearm.

How come a gun like this gets into the hands of a 17y old, rejected by marines wannabe superhero?

Sue the manufacturer for 25B and make sure he pays.

Sue the parents for letting this happen. This needs to make an example. Get them to pay 3 year salaries for negligence of parental duties resulting in 2 homicides.

Sue the state for not having enough police force and not having prevented this.

Also the friend who got him the weapon must be punished hard for this imo or it will happen over and over again.

I thought they learned something from all the school shooting but they didn't, did they?

not going through this whole thread but if I were a juror the point I would like to hear is 'defense' implies the threat came TO someone in their home or going about their business. When someone travels toward the threat it's no longer defense, it's called going out and looking for trouble with a gun.

The point being that, yes men, especially young men can be idiots (on both sides) but in the US such idiocy has a much higher chance of having a death sentence attached due to one of the idiots being armed.

A civil society should be able to foresee this, which I think you do not dispute (men being idiots and conflicts escalating over garbage) and be able to legislate away this threat.

The rest of most of the civilized world does not get why America does not get that. I don't want two bar bro's armed as they step on each others toes in a night club and one feels the other cost him his chance with a girl due to that clumsy exchange. In more civilized society such incidents often end in some pushing. Adding a gun into the mix is just crazy.

I have no idea if he is WS or not but as you say, he certainly seems to love their adulation and they seem to think he fits in very nicely with them.

But that does not speak to the intent of my point. In the US there is a well documented fear of 'black men' held widely throughout the US. They are seen as stronger, bigger, older, more threatening just for living, even when none of that is true or present. This has lead to many gross and unreasonable over reactions by the police resulting in the deaths of innocents who likely could not do any damage with their bare hands even if they tried.

That "fear" in society means that a white person with a gun is going to be more likely to perceive a deadly threat, even when it is not present, when they are in conflict with a black male.

I don't think you'll find a lawyer that will take on any of those suits on a contingency.

washoe for God Emperor of Southeastern Wisconsin.

Just wait until he finds out about the unmitigated shitshow that is Milwaukee.

Fines and lifetime community service sentences for ALL the bad actors and their parent! (singular)

That did give me a chuckle.

You're not too bad, Inso0, I don't care what the graffiti in the toilets at the park says about you.

Yes cuepee that's the problem. When I'm in the states I know theoretically everyone can carry a weapon,
mostly conceled. That's not a good feeling. Definitely not. Every PSYCHOPATH can have a gun, do you guys get that? There are way too many in circulation.

And yes that's not the case in any other civilized nation.
There you have only police have that privilege, and organized crime. But they won't shoot you generally.

Because of all this nonsense, you can get shot by any psyopath over nothing as well as by the police.

It's straight up nonsensical.

Lol. If i would be in charge these idiots wouldn't stand a chance.

feel free to take that one on contingency bro.

Yeah it would be suicide for any lawyer. He would have to flee to Ecuador after this. But anyways he could make a lot of money, if the dems are what they pretend to be. Fair. You are the country of the crazy lawsuits aren't you.

A grandma can sue for millions for being stupid. Why not a murder victim?

This is the only point I'd have to reflect on if I were a juror. Rosenbaum did attack KR but he was KR fired on him because he heard another gunshot and thought he was being fired on first.

The prosecution showed that clip of KR telling the mob 'the guy had a gun' because he thought he did in the moment.

Obv, he's a moron for bringing his rifle to a tense protest but all of his attackers were also morons. They all went out looking for trouble and they all got some. I'm just not sure KR is actually guilty under the law. SD is a real thing. It really does depend on the instructions and thinking about the testimony and hashing it out. It's not at all open and shut in my view. For Rosenbaum at least. The other guys it's much more straight forward. They were going to seriously injure him (he'd already been struck from behind twice and had a gun pointed at him).

this is a correct take. the ONLY reason to open carry anything especially a ****ing long gun in a city is intimidation and provocation.

He had a gun pointed at him bc he was carrying a gun or Ponting it at him, the medic.

Of course you have deranged and sick people at rallies, everyone knows and has to anticipate it. The guy that charged him was mentally ill.

You just can't have teenagers play war in the streets.
That was a high tension event with a bunch of idiots. It could have been prevented though if you had better laws.

They were all playing war in the streets. Arguably KR was the most well behaved of the children that night.

And I don't say that as a KR fan. If he would have gotten a beating that night he would have deserved it. But when you have a firearm you always have to be aware of the fact that the person who's trying to beat you may take it and use it against you. The stakes are automatically life and death. Which is why you don't pick a fight with a guy you know is armed in the first place. Bad actors all around. I'm just not taking sides on this one. If anything I'd like to smack his parents.

i'll preface this by saying i think he's going to get acquitted.


but it's still amazing to me in white american gun culture and the current law, that you can show up somewhere AS the danger, bring the dangerous object with you, be the intimidation and the provocation, kill people with the inherently dangerous object you brought into the situation, and then fall back and say you feared the danger that you created for yourself. and not only can you fall back on the system, but you can be worshipped as some kind of cult hero by a small portion of the backwards country..

dude is a lock to go full zimmerman and try to auction off the gun he killed those people with in the next 3 years.

i fundamentally disagree with this statement. one side was protesting a legitimate civil rights and police brutality issue and the other side was playing WAR. the kr side had no reason to be in the area other than to play war against the side protesting a legitimate grievance.

The gun lobby and corrupt SCOTUS has made walking around fully armed a right.

What did we think would happen ?

Better laws? Like what? Curfew? No one obeyed the curfew. No guns? They would have beat each other with knives and bats. Laws do not make a difference if the police are not allowed to enforce them.

I have to strongly disagree about that KR was the most well behaved of the children. He pulled the trigger. Which was the worst option. I would like to argue that his behaviour was easily the worst possible of all the kids. This idiot pulled the trigger, once or twice at humans. It can't get any worse than that.

Option one: don't get in a shitty situation like that.
Option two: run, run as far away as possibe.
Option three: run and fire warning shots into the air.
The worst option is to kill an obv. mentally ill kid.
I like all your other takes but this one might be a little off.

So yes this is a series of events where Kyle made one bad decision after the other. Again he had no right to be there. Just as he has no right to be in the wsop main event. He was just plain out wrong.

By the way why didn't the medic empty his clip into him after he shot 2 people. That's the job of the police actually, don't you think police would have immediately shot him?

They had no legitimate reason but they had a right to be there.

If they had been ignored by the morons who chose to harass them instead of attend to the protest they were (in your opinion) there for, this doesn't happen.

As my grandmother used to say, two wrongs don't make a right. This is a prime example.

If I to to a protest I don't go armed. I also don't go out of my way to find people who are counter protesting. That's just me but so far I haven't been shot.

Make a law that not any psyopath can have a gun. Easy All other civilized nations managed to get that.

And no, our teenagers have knifes and bats, but our arguments rarely if ever end up deadly. You just have too lethal weapons allowed by the state that is.