I feel you. I had a Facebook friend who supposedly was at the Capital on Jan 6. His account is nuked now and he went off the grid. But before that he posted a lot of crazy stuff.

He's off exploring the mountains, should be back in about 3 years or so bro.

the shaman is the perfect example for 'be careful what you ask for, you might get it'. He wanted attention, he got it.

He was crazy, but not quite shaman crazy.

pretty sure crazy isn't going to be of use to him against the real life thugs in a DC jail. He's going to wish he was a shaman.

It has been suggested that high end stores hire more security guards, presumably armed, to prevent organized smash and grabs by multiple people. But what about the admonition not to shoot unarmed thieves who are not threatening your life? Is the mere number of them enough reason to claim that the security guard is in fear for his own life and is thus justifying in shooting.? The problem with that justification is that even if it is reasonable we are left with the fact that if there were no guards, no one would die.

I think the solution here, judging by the responses itt, is that people should be free to steal, and if it's your stuff they're stealing, you need to tell yourself that they have a right to your stuff because they're underprivileged, stealing is a job too, and something something about insurance.

As a society, we made peace long ago with the notion that some number of avoidable deaths were an acceptable tradeoff to ensure peace of mind and some amount of protection over private property.

In other words, preservation of life has never been the sole goal of government policy. On the flip side, this observation doesn't mean that people have to accept the status quo on the ground that the tradeoff is working as it should.

But the mayor who seems to agree with a less hyperbolic version of your post is recommending security guards. I'm just wondering if she has thought about the fact that they won't do much good if it is common knowledge they won't shoot. Or was she intending that they do?

it is an impossible position to put security guards in to imo.

Of course Land O Lakes creates a false persona to argue against. Banks have dealt with this with regards to Bank robberies for a long, long time. Moreso in the past but they idea was mostly to let them grab and go instead of creating dangerous shoot up type situations that might cost lives on all sides (thieves, security, innocent bystanders).

I am most surprised that the Police cannot penetrate and prepare better for such thefts as there is obviously mass communications going on across some platform to let all the individuals know where and when to show up.

There is no way there is not some underground, but public forum being used as there simply is no way all these people know one another.

Penetrate that communications channel. Find out where and when these things will happen and let the police be waiting in force for them when they arrive.

I don't think she gave it any thought beyond the lip service it's worth.

Ever since the law changed to misdemeanor for anything under $950, they don't care. If you started having 50 people rushing a bank, you'd see a different protocol in place.

And what do you want the police to do with dozens of robbers at once? Start shooting? Then you guys would say they're shooting unarmed people for items that are misdemeanor theft. You can't have it both ways.

NO silly, arrest them.

This idea you have that 'shooting them' is the only response is just silly.

The police move in to arrest them. If someone, in the commission of a crime puts a cop at legitimate threat, of course he can defend himself and others but not in your way by just shooting them for showing up.

How do ten cops arrest 50 people at once, and do you really think none of them will resist arrest? I didn't say shooting them is the only response, but I also don't believe in unicorns.

Arresting them has literally no effect when George Gascon refuses to charge any of them and then releases them all.

Why is it 10 cops if they have infiltrated the conversation stream and have a good idea of the number of people in the chat loop?

You seem intent to keep manufacturing scenarios where they fail or are forced to kill.

If they see 100 people in on the chat stream, then have sufficient forces ready.

Is this a reply to my scenario and if so, is it true that even in these swarm robberies no one charged and they are all just released, if captured?

I suspect it is not and this is LoL trying to manufacture scenario's but I will await the clarification.

Do prison guards still shoot prisoners who are trying to escape from their guard towers.? Guessing not from minimum security and yes from maximum. What about from medium? Should the restrictions apply to serious but not murderous prisoners?

He is talking about no bail.

You're guessing wrong: no prison has guard towers for show. Of course, below a security level, there won't be guard towers, or the guards in them won't be armed.

There are protocols for when to use non-lethal and lethal ammunition. With regards to a potential escapee, it usually depends on whether he has breached a certain perimeter or zone.

https://abc7.com/smash-and-grab-robb...oore/11295639/

Los Angeles police have arrested 14 suspects in connection with a series of smash-and-grab robberies at local stores last month.

Police say there were at least 11 such robberies around Los Angeles in the week leading up to Thanksgiving, resulting in the theft of some $338,000 in retail goods.

Many of them involved flash mobs who swoop in quickly to a retail store, like Nordstrom at the Grove, smash glass cases and grab as many items as they can before fleeing.

The 14 arrests were linked to five such incidents. Three arrests resulted after a long, high-speed chase in which officers caught the suspects with car full of stolen merchandise.

Police acknowledged that after the arrests, all 14 suspects are now free again, under no-and-low bail policies that have been enacted in Los Angeles County recently. At least one suspect was a juvenile.


Seems like they may have gone over that 950 threshold.
Out on bail isn't the same as not charged.

Also, the investigation is continuing. Unfortunately for the conservatives among us, no one has yet been killed.

It's as if routine law enforcement isn't as exciting as what they watch on TV. Go figure.

I know a few CO's. If they're sober while on guard duty they'd probably slow your roll. But you're definitely drawing live there.

Based

bring 60 cops silly

problem solved

just shows how the world has changed. I grew up in the 60's and if I got caught stealing the store manager, at the very least, would beat the crap out of me, then call the cops who would beat me some more.

Living on military bases if someone got caught shoplifting from the BX or commissary their father could get court martialed over it. I would rather have been shot than face what my Dad would have done to me if I had got him court martialed.

And that's the way it was and we liked it!