Yeah man, wandering around town with a ****ing assault rifle is wildly irresponsible and dangerous. You can sooth yourself by reminding everyone it's technically not illegal but that doesn't make it any less crazy.

No, I think it is a piss-poor idea to convince young people they need to injure and kill their fellow citizens.

This. Merely standing there with a gun almost certainly would not constitute provocation. Rittenhouse's actual conduct may not have constituted provocation.

But his conduct indisputably was idiotic and dangerous.

You say "indisputably" like you think these guys aren't going to come in and dispute this.

Yes. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

Well, we're just different then. Anyone charging at me with furious anger I assume will beat me to death or near-death. Now if I'm holding a gun and that person is unaffected by it, then I 100% think I will be killed if I let him assault me.




Not friendly to their cause - how dare that kid pull a trash bin back to a business so as to prevent a fire.

Here's what being friendly to the rioters' cause gets you:




Perhaps, but it's not nearly as irresponsible and dangerous as charging at a person holding one.

I have no idea what this guy did because I don't read the US media as much as I can, but judging from who supports him, he should burn in hell.

You could have just saved a bunch of words and written "I'm a pussy".

Yeah, well, i think it is indisputable that the earth is a globe, even if Kyrie Irving believes otherwise.

You wrote this:

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On the political side of things, people are obviously cheering because he killed people. They are so far gone into the political rhetoric that they view people bleeding out as a great ideological victory. On the flip-side of things, they are also adamant that this is somehow problem-solving, because as any student of history knows, the key to managing unrest has always been incompetent civilians with guns looking for a perceived enemy.

So deploying the National Guard is preferable approach to quelling violent civil unrest right? Why do you think the WI Governor is deploying the National Guard? From what I can tell it is a complete over reaction.

A lot of people in this country who have little or no chance of being randomly attacked spend a lot of time worrying about being randomly attacked and a lot of time thinking about how they would respond if they were randomly attacked.

To be fair to LOL he latched onto my example of saying I'd shoot a random psycho charging at me with a knife to say "what if he charged at you with fists, you wouldn't shoot him then, smart guy?" (which was very LOL), and I of course said "no, I wouldn't, and you can't do that".

Exponentially higher chance he is convicted as compared to scenario where it is the opposite.


And apologies because despite knowing your general aversion to the use of pictures I think it much more efficient than me writing the walls of text to detail each stat.




Killings of Black Men by Whites are Far More Likely to be Ruled “Justifiable”
The disparity remains no matter the circumstances and has persisted for decades.

When a white person kills a black man in America, the killer often faces no legal consequences.

Thanks for the stats.

I fear I've been misunderstood. I have no issue with the use of an effective graphic to illustrate a point. I take issue with walls of youtube clips with little or no commentary, or with gifs outside of spoilers that play over and over and over and over and over and over while you're trying to browse the page.

I did kickboxing in college. That was long ago and street fights are not martial arts matches. I'm guessing you've never seen a guy beaten until he lies in a 5-foot wide pool of blood. You could have saved a bunch of words and written, "I'm a dummy."

Watch out, we got a badass over here.

I'm guessing you've never been to prison.

Two badasses!

Lol, you guys are the ones that claim you'll let a guy beat the **** out of you with no fear of him taking your firearm and using it on you. That's far more badass than kickboxing.

Not me, I'm happy to admit I'm a pussy. I was just pointing out that I've seen what he described and worse.

I still wouldn't shoot someone over a fistfight though, lol. Jean Claude over there thinks every fistfight ends in A&E or the morgue, apparently.

Lol, fistfight. A guy charging a person with an AR15 isn't a frat party fight.

So, tell us how you landed in prison since we know it wasn't through an unequal use of force.

I'm guessing that d2 has seen this.

Then he should know that you have no idea what a person's full intentions are when they're attacking you.

Oh I definitely would be worried about this. Query which way this cuts when deciding whether to bring a firearm to a volatile situation.

Well, we're moving the goalposts here a little bit, aren't we, LOL? In fact, you seem to have decided to uproot the goalposts and throw them clean off the pitch. You know perfectly well that we were discussing a hypothetical attacker with fists vs. a hypothetical attacker with a knife, not the actual Rittenhouse case. Some might call that posting in bad faith.

I think this issue demonstrates how the US approaches this issue compared to most (maybe all) of the rest of this world.

I can post instances of two guys having what, in most Countries, would seem like a normal tense argument over something stupid, and one of the guys shows he has a gun, often legally (almost always the weaker looking of the two. The weaker looking guy steps up the provocations and once punched or pushed shoots and kills the guy claiming self defense.

I don't think the weaker guy necessarily wanted to kill the person but they wanted to see him back down so they can feel powerful while knowing they can always kill them if they don't.

Outside the US that is just nothing approaching normal. Two guys **** talking end it by walking away or maybe some pushing or shoving, and yes the odd tragic outcome can come from that.

But what men don't do (typically) is kill each other for our idiotic, in the moment transgressions.

However in the US, I think there is a segment of males (mostly white southern males) who often felt intimidated when faced with conflicts with black males (whom they often regarded as subhuman) and this was their way to level up and retake their feeling of power.

So ya inside the US this may seem normal to many but outside the US it does look pussy'ish and bat **** crazy.