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11-19-2021 , 08:41 PM

#1126

washoe

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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang

Land of the free!! This is America

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11-19-2021 , 08:41 PM

#1127

Victor

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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang

Land of the free!! This is America, enjoy your shithole country!

some people are free for sure. but if anyone left of Mitt Romney dropped some bodies he isnt even making it to trial.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...illing-police/

one reason that I respect people like Chiddy and the right more than libs like most of this forum is that at least they are honest about their desires.

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11-19-2021 , 08:55 PM

#1128

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Originally Posted by washoe

That could backfire on you. Karma is a *****..

Where do you rank the verdict in overall shittyness compared to an unsuccessful dogecoin trade?

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11-19-2021 , 08:56 PM

#1129

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Mexico has a way higher rate of murder than the US and people are literally flocking to get into the USA and out of their shithole country.

Maybe KR should have been charged with a lesser crime and he would have been convicted of manslaughter or reckless endangerment, but whatever, the jury has spoken. A punk with a gun is dangerous indeed.

St. Louis has the highest murder rate in the US, Tijuana Mexico beats it by double.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...by_murder_rate

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11-19-2021 , 08:58 PM

#1130

spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken

I'm not so sure. If someone hits you with a skateboard and runs away are you allowed to kill them while they are retreating? Is your life in danger just because a retreating person did do some damage to you? I think there are two murders which put Rittenhouse as an active shooter.

And is there any consensus here as to what extent Rosenbaum was threatening KR's life? I don't see any video evidence other than Rosenbaum chasing him and heading towards him. The defense seems to be saying Rosenbaum grabbed the barrel of the gun. I don't see that, but even if he did so what. I can walk around with a rifle daring people to touch my gun and blow them away if they do? It seems like defenders of KR are saying just having a gun means any confrontation instantly becomes existential and from that point lethal force is always justified.

As discussed in the trial it’s a particularly thick and deadly skateboard. I was saying that the other two deaths are defense or not defense based on whether or not you consider the rosenbaum confrontation murder, which I think it was but there is a lot of room for doubt.

The gun thing is obvious in states like Kansas. If someone tresspassss on your property you might actually get shot. I know farmers who have shot trespassers.
That’s American style freedom.

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11-19-2021 , 09:00 PM

#1131

harkin

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

A few more thoughts on Binger and his strategy. Binger identified Jump Kick Man but refused to grant him immunity and never told the defense he'd been identified.

Maybe he figured one more felon attacking KR was one too many.

https://jonathanturley.org/2021/11/1...ing-arguments/

The irony here is that based on criminal records, The public is safer with KR released and all the felons getting what they got.

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11-19-2021 , 09:02 PM

#1132

spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Microbet is Rand Paul compared to Victor. Victor is left of Marx himself.

I don’t mind if people like cuepee or victor genuinely move leftward based on ideas people like me write or if people like trolley want to use liberal ideas as a cudgel, that’s how ideas spread. But in practical terms I will never view victor as being as liberal as Microbet. No way.

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11-19-2021 , 09:05 PM

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Tijuana, is not exactly doing Mexico justice. It is only that high in murder rates, bc IT IS BORDERING the US. Or rather because drugs get trafficked to the US. Have you every thought about this? Without the US, Nobody is getting murdered in Tijuana.

You need to compare Mexico city to Chicago, or Guadalajara to Detroit/LA to get a better sample.

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11-19-2021 , 09:05 PM

#1134

spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

Winning a trial is a nice feeling, especially if the jury has been out for a while. Tension builds. In my case, I can't concentrate on anything else at all while waiting for a verdict, and my mind constantly replays arguments I could have made better, questions I should have asked, etc. etc. etc.

I don’t know if I could ever talk to you again because I have a policy against talking to trolls. I have a cash app if you’d like to have a more intimate conversation about it.
Yeah, that’s pretty good but not as good as hearing the words not guilty as a defendant.

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11-19-2021 , 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jcorb

Yes yes should have gotten some punishment at least.
Now he gets a pad on the back instead. That dude is now branded for life and completely on the wrong path. Pretty sure a punishment would have served him better for his own good too.

St.Lois? Tijuana is a border town. You need to compare St.L to a city comparable in size and purpose in Mexico. And Mexico only got dangerous if you could call it that, bc of the influence of the United States and its guns. (Guns are imported from us)

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11-19-2021 , 09:18 PM

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The prosecutor was violating Kyle Rittenhouse rights with questioning him on his silence. The problem with the judge was he was extremely biased toward the defense throughout. Throwing out the gun charge was wrong.

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11-19-2021 , 09:20 PM

#1137

spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by 5 south

Lol

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11-19-2021 , 09:58 PM

#1138

Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by washoe

So you are giving teenagers 20 years for 3 strikes and stealing chewing gums, but you are letting this kid walk? You have got to be f kidding me! Am I missing something?? He is still getting at least 10 years for being a reckless idiot, right? No? Well screw the USA then!

That's it! If arberys killers walk I'm not setting foot in this country again! Sorry usa i used to love you but here we would have to split ways. That's no justice.

Lots of things. Most importantly, the actual laws involved here. You are, once again, letting your emotions cloud your judgement.

I think it's ridiculous that Rittenhouse suffers no consequences. But the trial and verdict aren't the issue - it's the US gun culture and the laws that allow it that are the problem. The same things you railed on about earlier as if none of us were aware.

This verdict should be no surprise, and if this outcome makes you not want to go to the US again, I have no idea why you've ever gone there. This is nothing new.

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11-19-2021 , 10:33 PM

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unfortunately the jury wasn't tasked with rendering a verdict against white vigilante justice

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11-19-2021 , 10:48 PM

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Nice to see the law was upheld. Good job to the jurors for doing their job correctly.

Also, whatever happened to all those protests that seemed like a daily thing? Did they fizzle out or something? Was it just another fad? Funny how they go away

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11-19-2021 , 10:56 PM

#1141

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Nice to see the law was upheld.

You're right, and KR did a good job exploiting it. He basically did the equivalent of what a hedge fund bro does but with peoples lives. He knew he could set the stage for a stand-your-ground defense. I could go into downtown Compton right now with a sign that says "I HATE NAGGERS" and then kill the first person who threatens my life and get away with it. Reminds me of my Marines recruiter who said he only joined to see what it felt like to legally kill someone.

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11-19-2021 , 11:07 PM

#1142

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Originally Posted by javi

The case was a waste of time and resources. This was always the outcome

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11-19-2021 , 11:23 PM

#1143

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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken

At what point does it become an indictment of American culture at large? We are killing people all over the globe. We are shooting each other up at home. At some point people like us (we disagree a lot but would probably vote very similarly on broad issues of policy and "culture") have to admit we just are too comfortable to really confront the bad apples in a meaningful way, tweets being an example of a not meaningful way. They decide to invade Iraq. We protest in the millions. They invade anyway, on the heels of a stolen presidential election no less. We accept it without, in the end, much of a fuss. A culture this savage takes cooperation not limited to merely those embedded in "U.S. gun culture". This is our thing. This is why AOC doesn't force the vote. There are a lot of actors in the American drama needed to put on the show.

It makes sense that there is some relationship between American militarism and domestic gun culture, but it's hard to quantify.

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11-20-2021 , 12:50 AM

#1144

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

The case was a waste of time and resources. This was always the outcome

It's the outcome now. Most of the time in a less high profile case the shooter just gets the clink. As terrible as the media is, everyone was watching.

I'm pretty sure that prosecutor is used to putting people in jail with little to no effort on his part. He certainly wasn't good at presenting this case.

KR is literally getting a second chance at life. I hope he does well with it.

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11-20-2021 , 01:26 AM

#1145

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One thing that annoys me about the whole trial is that normally when someone “murders” people legally , like for example a marine murders a terrorist , I find that exciting but Kyle Rittenhouse is like really ugly so I couldn’t get into it.

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11-20-2021 , 01:45 AM

#1146

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Lots of things. Most importantly, the actual laws involved here. You are, once again, letting your emotions cloud your judgement.

I think it's ridiculous that Rittenhouse suffers no consequences. But the trial and verdict aren't the issue - it's the US gun culture and the laws that allow it that are the problem. The same things you railed on about earlier as if none of us were aware.

This verdict should be no surprise, and if this outcome makes you not want to go to the US again, I have no idea why you've ever gone there. This is nothing new.

Rittenhouse freed on $2 million bail after 2.5 months in Jail - Apparently Facing Some Consequences

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11-20-2021 , 02:06 AM

#1147

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Originally Posted by washoe

Howard, in Germany he gets at least 10 years for public endangerment resulting in the loss of 2 lifes, however you put it. And that is for the rest of Europe. Ask anyone from Europe in this forum.

If you let him walk you are basically saying it was ok what he did. Common sense tells you it was not. It sets a bad precedence.

In most states you can legally open carry and unless you are suspected of committing a crime the police cannot ask for your ID and check if you legally own that gun. I don't know exactly Wisconsin law but he was probably following the law leading up to the confrontation. So not sure what you expect him to be put away for, for a minimum of 10 years.

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11-20-2021 , 03:03 AM

#1148

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Played a live poker tourny today- ugh I hate the way a majority of live poker players think- mainly the old white guy that poker tends to attract.

At my tourny table today- the topic of rittenhouse came up. The guy next to me wouldn’t agree with me that it was a bad idea by Kyle to go to this area with a gun. Like am I crazy? Is it really worth going to a location where protests are with a gun and open yourself up for accidental violence? I just don’t understand how any rational person would do what he did. Maybe I’m just a pussy but I like to avoid conflict.

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11-20-2021 , 03:28 AM

#1149

BRm34eva

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Yep, Jump Kick Man just passed up the Balloon Boy tier

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11-20-2021 , 05:01 AM

#1150

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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10

s it really worth going to a location where protests are with a gun and open yourself up for accidental violence?

What makes you think it was accidental? He had an itch that he wanted to scratch; show up with a weapon of mass destruction and maybe you'll get to use it. He'll probably pull a zimmerman and be in the news again in 5 years after killing somebody else under equally unnecessary circumstances. You dont just kill someone and get it out of your system. Now he has a taste for it.

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