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11-16-2021 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
i fundamentally disagree with this statement. one side was protesting a legitimate civil rights and police brutality issue and the other side was playing WAR. the kr side had no reason to be in the area other than to play war against the side protesting a legitimate grievance.
Protesting by burning down businesses? I don't think that's what a redress of grievances means.
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11-16-2021 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Make a law that not any psyopath can have a gun. Easy?
All other civilized nations managed to get that.
We already have that law - doesn't work.
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11-16-2021 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I have to strongly disagree about that KR was the most well behaved of the children. He pulled the trigger. Which was the worst option.

Option one: don't get in a shitty situation like that.
Option two: run, run as far away as possibe.
Option three: run and fire warning shots into the air.

The worst option is to kill an obv. mentally ill kid.

I like all your other takes but this one might be a little off.
Think about it. He did shoot the imbecile that attacked him. He likely thought he was fired on first (for the jury to decide so I'll give you that one if you insist).

After that, as the defense pointed out in closing, he tried to get to the police line and shot only when he was in immediate danger. He was struck in the back of the head , hit with a skate board and kicked while on the ground. He also had a gun pointed at his head. Those were the times he shot.

Compare that with the clowns he got themselves shot. Once guy was crazy, the rest wanted to use deadly force up to and including a pistol.

And, again, KR is a ****ing moron. But morons can defend themselves against other morons. At least that's my understanding of the law at this point.
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11-16-2021 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Protesting by burning down businesses? I don't think that's what a redress of grievances means.
than charge the actual offenders with vandalism, a misdemeanor. you don't get to murder them because you dont like that they believe african americans shouldn't get beaten up and killed by the police and that they are expressing that frustration.
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11-16-2021 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
We already have that law - doesn't work.
LOL

Of course we don't have that law.
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11-16-2021 , 12:48 PM
also as evidenced by some of the investigations into the previous protests, a lot of time the venn diagram between the people causing the most property damage and the "counter protestors" is a circle..
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11-16-2021 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
than charge the actual offenders with vandalism, a misdemeanor. you don't get to murder them because you dont like that they believe african americans shouldn't get beaten up and killed by the police and that they are expressing that frustration.
This is a good point now. Vigilantism seems like it should be illegal. I assume what KR and his buddies did was within the law though since no charges were brought. I do wonder where the lines are there.
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11-16-2021 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I have to strongly disagree about that KR was the most well behaved of the children. He pulled the trigger. Which was the worst option. I would like to argue that his behaviour was easily the worst possible of all the kids. This idiot pulled the trigger, once or twice at humans. It can't get any worse than that.

Option one: don't get in a shitty situation like that.
Option two: run, run as far away as possibe.
Option three: run and fire warning shots into the air.
The worst option is to kill an obv. mentally ill kid.
I like all your other takes but this one might be a little off.
Option 3? Those bullets shot in the air have to land somewhere. I'd rather they hit a mentally ill kid (36-years-old) than hit random innocents.

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11-16-2021 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
This is a good point now. Vigilantism seems like it should be illegal. I assume what KR and his buddies did was within the law though since no charges were brought. I do wonder where the lines are there.
that's a hearts and minds thing here. our culture absolutely WORSHIPS vigilantes. just take a look at any police/law procedural, military, or superhero media. the "hero" is almost always the (white)guy that decides to take the law into his own hands and hunt down and kill the criminal suspects while murdering anyone that is even remotely related.
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11-16-2021 , 12:53 PM
Yep: that's likely a case by case inquiry but it seems reasonable to construe that as a "brandish." Of course, ambiguity in criminal statutes is interpreted in favor of the defense, which seems generally correct to me.
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11-16-2021 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
than charge the actual offenders with vandalism, a misdemeanor. you don't get to murder them because you dont like that they believe african americans shouldn't get beaten up and killed by the police and that they are expressing that frustration.
I never said I think anyone should murder anyone. I don't think Kyle and the rest of the loons should have been there with their AR15's in the first place. I also don't think that burning down buildings and looting are acceptable forms of expressing frustration.

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LOL

Of course we don't have that law.
It's illegal for a felon to posses a firearm. It's illegal for a mentally adjudicated person to posses a firearm. What am I missing?
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11-16-2021 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Think about it. He did shoot the imbecile that attacked him. He likely thought he was fired on first (for the jury to decide so I'll give you that one if you insist).

After that, as the defense pointed out in closing, he tried to get to the police line and shot only when he was in immediate danger. He was struck in the back of the head , hit with a skate board and kicked while on the ground. He also had a gun pointed at his head. Those were the times he shot.

Compare that with the clowns he got themselves shot. Once guy was crazy, the rest wanted to use deadly force up to and including a pistol.

And, again, KR is a ****ing moron. But morons can defend themselves against other morons. At least that's my understanding of the law at this point.
It's a rather complicated situation I agree. The pistol pointed at him by the medic was his life insurance imo.

He wouldn't have pointed at him if he hadn't had that gun. It was to keep the kid in check imo.
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11-16-2021 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
I don't think you'll find a lawyer that will take on any of those suits on a contingency.

Grosskreutz is suing the state for $10M and it is highly likely that's on a contingency.
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11-16-2021 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
And, again, KR is a ****ing moron. But morons can defend themselves against other morons. At least that's my understanding of the law at this point.
This is a good point. Maybe we should have more of this sort of thing going on, would help clean up the gene pool a bit.
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11-16-2021 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
Grosskreutz is suing the state for $10M and it is highly likely that's on a contingency.
Ah yes, almost forgot about notable people's revolutionist Grosskreutz. Victor never did explain to us how suing for $10m is compatible with his presumably deeply held communist principles.
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11-16-2021 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
Grosskreutz is suing the state for $10M and it is highly likely that's on a contingency.
True. Maybe she didn't see the video of him pointing the gun, heh.
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11-16-2021 , 01:02 PM
Can someone explain to me how doing intramural kick boxing and seeing someone beaten until he lies in a pool of blood are related?
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11-16-2021 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
It's a rather complicated situation I agree. The pistol pointed at him by the medic was his life insurance imo.

He wouldn't have pointed at him if he hadn't had that gun. It was to keep the kid in check imo.
He pointed his gun at him to keep the kid in check? Is this the end of Reservoir Dogs?
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11-16-2021 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me
Can someone explain to me how doing intramural kick boxing and seeing someone beaten until he lies in a pool of blood are related?
Dude, have you not played Mortal Kombat?
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11-16-2021 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Option 3? Those bullets shot in the air have to land somewhere. I'd rather they hit a mentally ill kid (36-years-old) than hit random innocents.
Ok scratch that. Any warning shots possible? Shootem in the legs or shoulder, thats good enough isn't it? It should stop him from charging.

What would a real marine do? Definetly not rolling around in dark parking lots and letting kids hit him with a skateboard. Warning shots are used by people with proper training and no, they don't need to kill.

A dumb kid with a weapon like this a recipe for disaster. Thats why I say sue all of people responsible for this brat.

This kid had obviously no military training or any basic weapon training. Thus he had no right to be there in.thr first place. He was falling and tripping all over the place ffs.

Last edited by washoe; 11-16-2021 at 01:12 PM.
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11-16-2021 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me
Can someone explain to me how doing intramural kick boxing and seeing someone beaten until he lies in a pool of blood are related?
In kickboxing, your opponent doesn't smash your head into a metal door frame until your head is caved in. In a street fight, anything is possible.
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11-16-2021 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
In kickboxing, your opponent doesn't smash your head into a metal door frame until your head is caved in. In a street fight, anything is possible.
You're still not getting the point. Just because someone might smash your head into a metal doorframe, doesn't mean you get to pre-emptively shoot them. You need to have grounds for that belief, at least more grounds than "I peed my pants when the big fella came at me".
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11-16-2021 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
He pointed his gun at him to keep the kid in check? Is this the end of Reservoir Dogs?
Idk if it's the end of that movie.
Thats the only rational explanation there is. I've seen the medic testify. He is not a dumb kid. He brought a gun because he knew it's america.

Wtf are you doing if you see a kid rolling around the ground with a MR15 pointing at everyone?

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11-16-2021 , 01:15 PM
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Ok scratch that. Shootem in the legs or shoulder, thats good enough isn't it? It should stop him from charging.

What would a real marine do? Definetly not rolling around in dark parking lots and letting kids hit him with a skateboard.

This kid had obviously no military training or any basic weapon training. He was falling all over the place.
He had weapon training. That's obvious to anyone that has firearm training. You thinking that a guy can shoot a dude in the kneecap while they're both running is hilarious. You thinking he can shoot him in the shoulder and not realize the grave danger that poses after seeing the paramedic's arm is even more hilarious.

As for a real marine, a real marine doesn't have the body language of a scared shiitless teenager. That guy wouldn't have run after gravy seal, for example.
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11-16-2021 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
also as evidenced by some of the investigations into the previous protests, a lot of time the venn diagram between the people causing the most property damage and the "counter protestors" is a circle..
I strongly suspect your entire sample size on this is that one cop that broke a plate glass window.
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