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11-15-2021 , 06:02 PM

#501

RFlushDiamonds

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

I may have blown this one! The hunting group I went with was looking for a buck with points more than anything else, and I improperly extrapolated my personal experience. Plus, I've eaten venison a couple of times and it isn't very good. Apologies.

Lawyers eat out a lot for a reason.

Venison takes a little extra work because it's not what we're used to but...come one, it's good as hell !!!

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11-15-2021 , 06:04 PM

#502

ChiddyBang

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Hocus pocus, out of focus!

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11-15-2021 , 06:07 PM

#503

RFlushDiamonds

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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang

The only racist in this sequence of events was that loser moron who said the N word. Cool bit of fanfic though!

So no racial tension in the KR case or the protests that brought him to town ?

That's an interesting take. Any evidence to back it up ?

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11-15-2021 , 06:15 PM

#504

Rococo

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Originally Posted by rickroll

so are cats and dogs inherently bad or immoral because they kill for fun? a lot of our own pets will kill things and then not even eat it half the time because they prefer the food we give them instead

i'm not trolling, i genuinely see a major disconnect with reality, that killing is a biological necessity for many species

You say you aren't trolling, but you have to be. No one is arguing that lions are immoral because they kill and eat cape buffalo. No is arguing that housecat is immoral when it engages in the instinctive behavior of playing with a mouse.

Human beings have higher brain function than lions or domestic cats. Human beings have the capacity to feed themselves just fine without killing and eating animals. Lions do not. That's why there is a moral dimension to human eating habits that doesn't apply to lions.

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11-15-2021 , 06:16 PM

#505

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds

Lawyers eat out a lot for a reason.

Venison takes a little extra work because it's not what we're used to but...come one, it's good as hell !!!

Agreed. Venison is quite good when prepared well. And it works great in things like chili.

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11-15-2021 , 06:20 PM

#506

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

I may have blown this one! The hunting group I went with was looking for a buck with points more than anything else, and I improperly extrapolated my personal experience. Plus, I've eaten venison a couple of times and it isn't very good. Apologies.

I am not a hunter, but I certainly grew up in an area where it was common. The attitude you are describing is more common among douchebags like Donald Trump Jr. who hunt very occasionally. Avid deer hunters almost always eat or give away the meat.

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11-15-2021 , 06:21 PM

#507

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Originally Posted by Rococo

You say you aren't trolling, but you have to be. No one is arguing that lions are immoral because they kill and eat cape buffalo.

Human beings have the capacity to feed themselves just fine without killing and eating animals. Lions do not. That's why there is a moral dimension to human eating habits that doesn't apply to lions.

Oh snap.

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11-15-2021 , 06:25 PM

#508

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Originally Posted by Rococo

Make for me the argument that morals are tied to that "choice"?

I am not sure such a connection exists that simply because one knows they can subsist without eating animals (requiring killing) that it morally a better position to then not do it.

I do not attach the choice of not removing oneself voluntarily from the predation cycle as moral when one is naturally a part of it.

Choice yes, morals ...not so sure?

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11-15-2021 , 06:29 PM

#509

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Originally Posted by rickroll

herbivores largely just eat plants because that's their wheelhouse and that's what's available, but they will and do kill other animals for food when opportunity presents itself - the main difference between a herbivore and an omnivore is an omnivore is better equipped to tackle prey and likely did so through evolution - we even have species of slugs and caterpillars that were introduced to new areas like hawaii and due to the different fauna and flora they swapped from eating leaves to eating other insects

If you tried to feed a horse or cow mostly meat, it wouldn't adapt. It would die. The digestive systems of horses and cows are not designed to digest meat in any meaningful quantity.

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11-15-2021 , 06:31 PM

#510

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Originally Posted by Rococo

I'd say the height of it is--guys going on guided hunts. But they freeze up when it's time to shoot--so the guide takes over and does it--so the the dbag can take his trophy photo etc. It happens

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11-15-2021 , 06:35 PM

#511

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Originally Posted by Cuepee

I and others have derailed the Rittenhouse thread enough as it is. Venturing further into the ethics of meat eating is probably a bridge too far. But if you want to start a thread in the appropriate forum on this topic, I'd be happy to participate. I think these are interesting questions.

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11-15-2021 , 06:37 PM

#512

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So, can we, like, talk about the closing arguments, or is this the hunting & venison thread now?

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11-15-2021 , 06:40 PM

#513

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

So, can we, like, talk about the closing arguments, or is this the hunting & venison thread now?

I didn't watch closing arguments. You are predicting acquittal?

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11-15-2021 , 06:41 PM

#514

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I'm about an hour behind on the live stream, I think the defence will finish soon and then I believe Binger wanted half an hour for rebuttal. Will let you know what I think then.

Defence attorney has said "white supremist" twice now. Same dude that kept saying "logarithm" instead of "algorithm". I know I'm probably the only person who notices these things.

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11-15-2021 , 06:44 PM

#515

spaceman Bryce

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I thought about this trial a lot and don’t have strong feelings either way. This article is really good and informed my thinking:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/616769/

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11-15-2021 , 06:45 PM

#516

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My main thought is that it is sad that the majority if Americans get their impressions of how our criminal justice system works from a handful of high profile cases.

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11-15-2021 , 06:49 PM

#517

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

My main thought is that it is sad that the majority if Americans get their impressions of how our criminal justice system works from a handful of high profile cases.

Why? You think a CCCTV camera set up to watch a bunch of two-bit crooks & junkies getting herded into the dock one after the other to plead out would give a better impression?

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11-15-2021 , 06:50 PM

#518

spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Why? You think a CCCTV camera set up to watch a bunch of defendants getting herded into the dock one after the other to plead out would give a better impression?

Yes.

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11-15-2021 , 06:52 PM

#519

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

Yes.

Oh. I see what you meant.

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11-15-2021 , 06:55 PM

#520

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

My main thought is that it is sad that the majority if Americans get their impressions of how our criminal justice system works from a handful of high profile cases.

In my opinion, there is almost no "justice" in the American Criminal Justice System.

It's essentially a full-employment program for judges, lawyers, parole officers, and prison workers.

Humans beings are warehoused for years, their spirit is often destroyed by the duhumanization they must endure, and they often just learn how to become better criminals once released. It's an evil, vicious cycle, and it's specially designed to be an evil, vicious cycle.

Always follow the money trail, ladies and gentlemen.

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11-15-2021 , 06:56 PM

#521

washoe

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

So, can we, like, talk about the closing arguments, or is this the hunting & venison thread now?

If your plane crashes and you are stuck in the wilderness, you are forced to hunt and eat meat.
Watch naked survival if you don't believe me.

The defence lawyer sound like Schwarzenegger.
So is little Kyle going home after his rampage?
He tried to join the marines but they rejected him. Where else can he shoot and play war? Oh wait, yeah mass protests. That's the second best option.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ting-protests/

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11-15-2021 , 07:00 PM

#522

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Humans beings are warehoused for years, their spirit is often destroyed by the duhumanization they must endure, and they often just learn how to become better criminals once released. It's an evil, viscous cycle, and it's specially designed to be an evil, viscous cycle.

Now you're just stirring the pot.

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11-15-2021 , 07:03 PM

#523

washoe

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He is right about the prisons, but where else to put him?

The marines rejected him. I thought they take everyone!
Anyways, they must have sensed he is s threat. He would have killed people either way, either his own troops or other ones. The police must have rejected him too. The kid was clearly a loose cannon.

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11-15-2021 , 07:10 PM

#524

lagtight

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Originally Posted by washoe

He is right about the prisons, but where else to put him?

The marines rejected him. I thought they take anyone!
Anyways they probably sensed he is s threat. He would have killed people either way, either his own troops or other ones. The guy was a loose cannon.

I wasn't suggesting that incarceration per se is in and of itself evil.

But I would say that at least 90% of the people currently in prison shouldn't be there.

Anyhoo, sorry for my derail, folks!