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11-10-2021 , 03:43 PM

#126

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So are you admitting your prior statement is completely wrong and Gaige was not approaching Rittenhouse as he was approaching the police and Gaige was instead approaching Rittenhouse as he was shooting other people?

Rittenhouse was trying to reach the police. Unfortunately, an angry mob attacked him and tried to kill him, so he was knocked to the ground. It was at this point that Gaige pulled his gun on Rittenhouse and got his arm blown to pieces.

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11-10-2021 , 03:44 PM

#127

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Originally Posted by Rococo

If I'm Rittenhouse's lawyer, I don't like this performance. He starts off testifying like some sort of junior cop (which his appearance reinforces), and then within seconds, he is crying in a very bizarre way that might well seem fake to some jurors.

At least the video you picked has some lead-in. Most of the internet is just rolling with the 25 second hysterical clip instead.

He was fine for the 30 minutes on the stand right before this, has the panic attack, and comes back from recess to finish his testimony with composure. If you're going to fake a breakdown, it's probably best to maintain the charade.

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11-10-2021 , 03:47 PM

#128

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I appreciate your posting on this matter. Informative.

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11-10-2021 , 03:52 PM

#129

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

You are dodging.

You made a statement that even if Gaige thought Rittenhouse had been an active shooter, at the time he approached Rittenhouse was walking towards the police and the active shooting was history.

The facts are that Gaige approached Rittenhouse when he was on the ground, not approaching the police and still in the active shooter stage.

I am not asking you if that makes Rittenhouse any less guilty or more guilty and just saying the way you stated it was wrong.

If you were Gaige and you were in fact a 'Good guy with Gun', it is entirely possible he thought he engaging an active shooter.

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11-10-2021 , 03:54 PM

#130

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this case does do one thing. it clearly shows the cultural divide between people who think its heroic to arm up and go looking to shoot people that disagree with you politically and the rest of sane america.

makes me further entrenched in the belief that the alt-right isnt worth reaching out to politically ever. just accept that a not insignificant portion of the country is irredeemable and go about passing sane legislation without them.

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11-10-2021 , 03:56 PM

#131

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Originally Posted by Tien

Donkjr

I appreciate your posting on this matter. Informative.

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11-10-2021 , 03:58 PM

#132

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Originally Posted by Cuepee

If you were Gaige and you were in fact a 'Good guy with Gun', it is entirely possible he thought he engaging an active shooter.

So?

Are you trying to tell us that it's okay to just go with what you perceive the mob is doing, absent any personal knowledge of the situation at hand? What could possibly go wrong with that line of thinking?

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11-10-2021 , 03:59 PM

#133

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Originally Posted by DonkJr

Where I practice law, if a judge finds that a prosecutor purposely caused or goaded the defense into asking for a mistrial, then double jeopardy applies and the case is over. The judge here has been talking about not believing the prosecutor in his assertion that he brought in these forbidden topics in good faith for that purpose. If there is a mistrial here, I don't think he would be retried.

Interesting and thank you. I would have lost a lot of money betting on that.

The fact that you could arguably have a blatant racist judge who tips his hand in the trial that every decision he is making is biased and racist towards a finding of not guilty can not then be appealed by the Prosecutor for those reasons is shocking to me.

I have to assume there are many, many such abuses in the system due to that.

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11-10-2021 , 03:59 PM

#134

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Originally Posted by Inso0

i agree with inso.. any time a citizen attempts to engage an active public shooter with his own gun it probably should indeed be unlawful.

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11-10-2021 , 04:01 PM

#135

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Originally Posted by Slighted

Even if I agree with you to some degree, where do you place the people who think that rioting is reasonable?

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11-10-2021 , 04:02 PM

#136

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Originally Posted by Slighted

just accept that a not insignificant portion of the country is irredeemable...

This may be what they're thinking about you.

Back to square one.

The "Reason for Edit" text box isn't showing up on this new format which ruins an important post template. Where do I submit my complaints?

Last edited by Inso0; 11-10-2021 at 04:03 PM. Reason: Or anyone with a "**** 'em" outlook on life for that matter.

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11-10-2021 , 04:04 PM

#137

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Originally Posted by EastCobb

Even if I agree with you to some degree, where do you place the people who think that rioting is reasonable?

you prosecute actual rioters that deal property damage with property damage charges. you don't label entire protests "riots" and then attempt to dehumanize them and delegitimize their protests. and you certainly dont attempt to defend property whether it be your own, or in rittenhouse's case random property in a state he doesn't reside in, by shooting people.

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11-10-2021 , 04:06 PM

#138

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Originally Posted by Inso0

This may be what they're thinking about you.

Back to square one.

the difference, is i would like to simply ignore them and pass policies to actively make their lives better. and they clearly as evidence by all of this would like to shoot me. also there is no alt-right silent majority no matter how much you think your views are mainstream in your OANN/Newsmax bubble.

eta- my dream would be to give them all socialized healthcare. their dream is mostly to force some religious and moral beliefs on everyone that isn't like them. we are not the same.

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11-10-2021 , 04:13 PM

#139

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Originally Posted by Cuepee

It happens every once in a while, but the vast majority of judges generally just want to follow the law to the best of their ability. Judicial abuse isn't as pervasive as you'd think.

Edit: Let me add a little detail here, actually. There are biased judges, but I wouldn't say that outright abuse is pervasive. Most biases are in favor of the state. I have never personally encountered a judge that I felt was biased toward the defense.

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11-10-2021 , 04:14 PM

#140

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Originally Posted by DonkJr

It happens every once in a while, but the vast majority of judges generally just want to follow the law to the best of their ability. Judicial abuse isn't as pervasive as you'd think.

prosecutorial abuse on the other hand... much more pervasive than you think.

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11-10-2021 , 04:21 PM

#141

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Originally Posted by DonkJr

From my limited exposure to courts and cases I read about 50 judgments related to a case I was involved in and found that nearly all those 50 judgments had very reasonable thought processes behind their judgments and I disagreed with nearly none of the judgments.

I found the judges basically tried as hard as possible to follow the letter of the law.

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11-10-2021 , 04:23 PM

#142

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Originally Posted by DonkJr

Its getting better and better sure. But historically Prosecuting a white person for a crime against any POC often faced oppressive judicial abuse so understanding now that all those people were not even subject to Prosecution on appeal is just another note to add to a broken system.

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11-10-2021 , 04:27 PM

#143

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Originally Posted by Inso0

I am putting no judgement on the situation when it comes to this clarification.

I am saying he presented it in a way that was factually inaccurate.

There is a vast difference from Gaige perspective if the shooting was in the past and now Rittenhouse is approaching police to possible surrender and explain himself

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Gaige approaching as Rittenhouse is shooting other people from a position on the ground when he says he believed an active shooter was in the midst of killing people are very different.

What people want to infer further from that is a separate discussion.

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11-10-2021 , 04:50 PM

#144

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Originally Posted by Inso0

The "Reason for Edit" text box isn't showing up on this new format which ruins an important post template. Where do I submit my complaints?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...esign-1797785/

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11-10-2021 , 05:33 PM

#145

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Originally Posted by DonkJr

Prosecutor going full character assassination right now. You bought this gun because it looks like a gun from Call of Duty. You kill people in Call of Duty!

The prosecutor's cross until now was mere incompetence, but this is going off the rails now.

The kid is doing alright on the stand; he has an air of naive credibility. I wish all my witnesses would testify as well as this guy.

jfc the prosecution went with the video games attack?

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11-10-2021 , 07:18 PM

#146

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Originally Posted by DonkJr

Interesting. I don't practice criminal law but that makes sense.

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11-10-2021 , 07:19 PM

#147

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Wow, the prosecutor had a terrible day all round today. The next case he argues might be before the disciplinary board.

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11-10-2021 , 07:22 PM

#148

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Originally Posted by Inso0

I didnt pick the video. Someone else posted it.

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11-10-2021 , 07:31 PM

#149

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Originally Posted by DonkJr

I agree. I have encountered dumb judges, judges who are biased in favor of the government, and judges who form a view of the merits too quickly.

But most are trying to do the right thing. And i never observed behavior by a judge that struck me as racist.